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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 7, 2019 15:39:32 GMT
He's not good enough, he wasn't good enough last season either which is why he couldn't get into the side but when fit he slots straight in?
Sarr isn't good enough either and it's about time this mess was sorted it. Swopping and changing the central two defenders isn't helping and Bowyer needs to take a look at himself.
If I was the new owners I would hang fire on his new contract because he is making mistakes that are costing us no matter how many in juries we have.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 15:44:11 GMT
I just think hes getting the tactics wrong we are getting overloaded in midfield and the back 4 are suffering. But i believe we need 2 new centre half asap
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Post by dartford36 on Dec 7, 2019 15:48:09 GMT
Today, with Lockyer unavailable due to suspension, and Sarr not really up to it, what other alternative was there? Tuesday may be different.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 7, 2019 15:59:24 GMT
It's not just about today. Gradually under Bowyer we are getting worse, dropping like a stone and if we are not careful we will go straight back down.
Personally I feel that if the new owner doens't want to end up buying a L1 club, he/they need to have a closer look and put LB under a bit of scrutiny because of recent results. He's the manager and the buck stops with him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 16:22:28 GMT
Because he has no choice.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 7, 2019 16:54:55 GMT
Put it this way, if Karl Robinson was still in charge fans would be calling for his head.
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Dec 7, 2019 16:58:10 GMT
Anyone calling for Bowyer's head is out of order!
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 7, 2019 17:13:34 GMT
In your opinion, I have my own and he is not doing enough to keep his job.
Same old response from Charlton fans just because 'he's one of our own'.
As much as I like thE guy It's a results business and we are going backward.
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Post by thevalleybest on Dec 7, 2019 17:14:51 GMT
In your opinion, I have my own and he is not doing enough to keep his job. Same old response from Charlton fans just because 'he's one of our own'. As much as I like thE guy It's a results business and we are going backward. Crying out for investment on the pitch end of.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Dec 7, 2019 17:16:30 GMT
The injuries have been horrendous. Let’s see what happens when we get a few lads back fit and (hopefully) a couple of January arrivals. We weren’t doing too badly before this injury crisis hit, were we
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 7, 2019 17:17:11 GMT
I agree but even that won't stop how we have been set up of late. Hopeless at the back and can't defend on the floor or in the air.
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Post by pardew123 on Dec 7, 2019 17:17:15 GMT
Lees right guy in my opinion we need more options that’s all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 17:25:30 GMT
Lees right guy in my opinion we need more options that’s all I sincerely hope the new owners will keep their word about backing Lee Bowyer. An incoming owner is always tempted to put in his own people. It's almost a miracle that we seem to have an owner willing to stick by our current manager. But it may not take very much for them to change their minds. Lee Bowyer deserves a chance to strengthen the squad in January with proper funding. If he is fired because Duchatelet made him work with scraps off the table for two transfer windows, it will be an absolute travesty. Roland would probably p*ss himself laughing. Wembley in May, winning those play-offs, was a massive achievement. More difficult (because of RD) than what Chris Powell managed to do in 2011-12 - and I say that as a huge fan of Powell.
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Post by oldred on Dec 7, 2019 17:29:01 GMT
With Taylor back and our first choice midfield, we are capable of survival, but I really think our defensive weaknesses are being exposed badly now, and we really need to strengthen at the back and build on that.
We have been guilty of conceding some shocking goals, in too many games now, and it needs to stop.
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Dec 7, 2019 17:29:50 GMT
In your opinion, I have my own and he is not doing enough to keep his job. Same old response from Charlton fans just because 'he's one of our own'. As much as I like thE guy It's a results business and we are going backward. For me its not even about that. Its the fact he was already overachieveing before any of the injuries hit. This was always going to happen with our tiny squad. The injuries have just sped the process up. Hopefully he gets the chance to work with an actual squad again with the new owners coming in.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 7, 2019 17:33:04 GMT
The injuries have been horrendous. Let’s see what happens when we get a few lads back fit and (hopefully) a couple of January arrivals. We weren’t doing too badly before this injury crisis hit, were we I agree but most have them have been to injury prone players who have been brought into the club.
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Post by dartford36 on Dec 7, 2019 17:44:43 GMT
Lockyer has stepped up from League 1 and done a good job, not a fan of Oshilaja and the bottom line is that Bauer has not been adequately replaced.
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Post by thevalleybest on Dec 7, 2019 17:45:44 GMT
The injuries have been horrendous. Let’s see what happens when we get a few lads back fit and (hopefully) a couple of January arrivals. We weren’t doing too badly before this injury crisis hit, were we I agree but most have them have been to injury prone players who have been brought into the club. Not much of a budget last summer.
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Post by dartford36 on Dec 7, 2019 17:53:12 GMT
I think we can all agree that the summer transfer budget was inadequate, the discussion could be how wisely it was used? In a way that period is done and dusted, what matters is what happens in January. A particularly crucial transfer window I would suggest.
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Post by oldred on Dec 7, 2019 17:54:30 GMT
I think LB has achieved miracles to be honest with what he’s been given over the last two seasons.
I would be disappointed if he wasn’t given the opportunity to show what he can do with a proper budget. If he fails, he will be aware of the consequences.
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 7, 2019 19:26:42 GMT
The injuries have been horrendous. Let’s see what happens when we get a few lads back fit and (hopefully) a couple of January arrivals. We weren’t doing too badly before this injury crisis hit, were we I agree but most have them have been to injury prone players who have been brought into the club. We have the lowest budget in the division which will clearly impact recruitment, and the places Gallen can go shopping. Decent Championship players are on £1-2M a year - our players are not. It will take at least another two transfer windows to upgrade our squad so as to make it worthy of the top ten. The question is which players will still be with us in 2020/21? But most of us are focussed on how the current side might start winning again. If the EFL approve the new owners then they will obviously have to assess both the immediate challenge AND where they want us to be next August - interesting times!
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Post by discocafc on Dec 7, 2019 19:45:05 GMT
I think you’re being very harsh Reams.
We have no options other than Sarr and Pearce!!!
Our first 11 is good enough for top 10. The rest is very average at best. Everyone said Bowyer was working miracles at the start of the year. Nothing has changed apart from we now have injuries and suspensions and not enough cover.
Now we have money, it will be a real test for Bowyer BUT given how well he has done I don’t have any doubts whatsoever.
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Post by discocafc on Dec 7, 2019 19:49:03 GMT
Put it this way, if Karl Robinson was still in charge fans would be calling for his head. Yep you’re absolutely right Reams. I don’t care if we’re bottom of League Two, as long as Bowyer is in charge. All hail Bowyer!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 20:09:11 GMT
The whole back four aren't good enough, don't like Oshilaja at back either.
Give Sarr a chance up top otherwise waste of bench space.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 20:15:26 GMT
Put it this way, if Karl Robinson was still in charge fans would be calling for his head. Yep you’re absolutely right Reams. I don’t care if we’re bottom of League Two, as long as Bowyer is in charge. All hail Bowyer!!!!! Lee Bowyer has rescued the footballing side of our Club from the failure and mediocrity of the Duchatelet era. LB performed little short of a miracle last season. He achieved what I thought could never be done while RD was our owner. For me, Bowyer has more than earned the right to manage his way through this injury crisis with the fullest support possible from Charlton fans. He should be given all necessary support by the new owners to oversee the essential strengthening of our squad in January, in order to see us safely through to the summer - when the real task of rebuilding can begin. Our manager conducts himself in a manner that is truly professional, and he speaks plainly and honestly. And his passion for the Club shines through, because it is understated and dignified, rather than in spite of that. Nobody is perfect, and he is still learning his trade. But where will we find somebody better, and as committed to CAFC as Bowyer? We probably won't see his like again in a generation. He can lead us back to the top flight given a few more seasons. I absolutely believe it. Losing him because of our short term problems would be a disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 20:20:36 GMT
In your opinion, I have my own and he is not doing enough to keep his job. Same old response from Charlton fans just because 'he's one of our own'. As much as I like thE guy It's a results business and we are going backward. Ridiculous- more than earned the right to continue after unreasonable budget for championship is upped...
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 7, 2019 20:29:01 GMT
I think you’re being very harsh Reams. We have no options other than Sarr and Pearce!!! Our first 11 is good enough for top 10. The rest is very average at best. Everyone said Bowyer was working miracles at the start of the year. Nothing has changed apart from we now have injuries and suspensions and not enough cover. Now we have money, it will be a real test for Bowyer BUT given how well he has done I don’t have any doubts whatsoever. Paul is being provocative and generating a valid discussion! Who backed Peeters to the very end? And who predicted Luzon would secure so many wins, then later screw things up? CAFC may have the takeover approved before Christmas but maybe not? Either way we need players back and new players signed... But the question is will the CAFC board entrust Bowyer and Gallen with the funds required to make a difference? And the time to make it happen? So far they have outperformed the budget allocated in that we are simply not in the relegation zone. And they were never given a massive budget to improve the spine of the side - not in goal, at centre back, CDM or strikers. But does that mean Bowyer and Gallen should be given a blank cheque next month? And again in the summer?
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Post by discocafc on Dec 7, 2019 20:35:08 GMT
Yep you’re absolutely right Reams. I don’t care if we’re bottom of League Two, as long as Bowyer is in charge. All hail Bowyer!!!!! Lee Bowyer has rescued the footballing side of our Club from the failure and mediocrity of the Duchatelet era. LB performed little short of a miracle last season. He achieved what I thought could never be done while RD was our owner. For me, Bowyer has more than earned the right to manage his way through this injury crisis with the fullest support possible from Charlton fans. He should be given all necessary support by the new owners to gain the needed strengthening of our squad in January, in order to see us safely through to the summer - when the real task of rebuilding can begin. Our manager conducts himself in a manner that is truly professional, and he speaks plainly and honestly. And his passion for the Club shines through, because it is understated and dignified, rather than in spite of that. Nobody is perfect, and he is still learning his trade. But where will we find somebody better, and as committed to CAFC as Bowyer? We probably won't see his like again in a generation. He can lead us back to the top flight given a few more seasons. I absolutely believe it. Losing him because of our short term problems would be a disaster.
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Post by lukepiestalker on Dec 7, 2019 20:59:40 GMT
Similar chat about Curbs early doors and that didn't work out did it.
Lee and his team have put up with a barrage of bullshit and worked miracles. Comparing him to Tubby Tarbuck is pointless.
I'd rather a manager ran out of players and funds in the championship than L1 with was what faced us before Lee came along.
Lee has more than earned the respect to be given some time and money if this new ownership deal works out. If we are in this position when he's had money and time then there's a conversation to be had. There is not one yet in my view.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 21:00:00 GMT
Paul is being provocative and generating a valid discussion! Who backed Peeters to the very end? And who predicted Luzon would secure so many wins, then later screw things up? CAFC may have the takeover approved before Christmas but maybe not? Either way we need players back and new players signed... But the question is will the CAFC board entrust Bowyer and Gallen with the funds required to make a difference? And the time to make it happen? So far they have outperformed the budget allocated in that we are simply not in the relegation zone. And they were never given a massive budget to improve the spine of the side - not in goal, at centre back, CDM or strikers. But does that mean Bowyer and Gallen should be given a blank cheque next month? And again in the summer? I very much hope and expect the EFL to confirm our new owners pass their 'fit and proper' criteria long before Christmas. Cannot believe that could take so long as to interfere with the January transfer window. And why suggest that Bowyer and Gallen would even want a 'blank cheque' for January? Nobody is suggesting that all of our squad weaknesses should be tackled in the January window with an unlimited splurge of cash. But I don't think somewhere in the region of £5m to £10m (total) would be unreasonable, in order to secure two good quality Championship players, perhaps even three. And some of that, albeit a relatively modest amount, could be made up for by selling or releasing players we don't need. A few proper quality signings, plus good players we already have returning from injury, will see us safe and possibly back in the top half of the table, come May 2020. I would think our new owners will be willing to invest in order to stabilise the situation now. Then in the summer, we will see what happens. But even then, I don't see the need to talk about blank cheques.
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