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Post by donkeypunch on Sept 22, 2018 15:57:49 GMT
Robinson's number up at Oxford I think..😂🤣
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Post by oldred on Sept 22, 2018 16:12:36 GMT
Must be getting close now , I would think .
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Post by wellingaddick on Sept 22, 2018 16:47:04 GMT
He's a one trick pony, he'll be lucky to make it to November!
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Post by massivebeak on Sept 22, 2018 17:32:28 GMT
Bloody awful manager
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Post by hairyhotdog on Sept 22, 2018 19:17:02 GMT
Let’s hope he can make it through next few games , as we have them soon... 🙏🏽
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Post by lukepiestalker on Sept 23, 2018 8:57:55 GMT
He needs to widen his approach somewhat but he doesn't have as much to draw on as our current fella.
Ultimately he will get found out and looks like he's not too far away. I
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Post by leftbehind on Sept 24, 2018 8:42:50 GMT
Sack him after our game would be nice
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Post by mersthamred on Sept 24, 2018 9:27:13 GMT
I can't understand why people dislike Karl. He did what he thought was best but was wrong about 1 up front. I much prefer Lee's tactics but why all the hate?
I hope Karl does well.
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Post by ashaddick on Sept 24, 2018 9:39:56 GMT
I have a theory in my life, hate is an immotion and all immotions require mental and even physical energy, I won’t waist my energy on it. Karl Robinson has come and gone from my life, I wasn’t over pleased when he was the gaffer but now he has gone I never think about him. What he does at other clubs is their business, I couldn’t give a toss.
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Post by massivebeak on Sept 24, 2018 9:57:31 GMT
I can't understand why people dislike Karl. He did what he thought was best but was wrong about 1 up front. I much prefer Lee's tactics but why all the hate? I hope Karl does well. I don't think hate comes into it, he was a one dimensional manager with no other ideas than one that he got lucky with. It didn't work for us and he refused to try anything else- every team in the league worked us out. The inability to adapt as a manager of any sort will ultimately lead to failure. As a person though I'm sure he's sound.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 9:57:55 GMT
I can't understand why people dislike Karl. He did what he thought was best but was wrong about 1 up front. I much prefer Lee's tactics but why all the hate? I hope Karl does well. I agree, met him a few times and was a friendly and open bloke. Ok he may not be the best manager in terms of tactics but he moved us forward from RS and now we’ve moved on again with LB (so far). I find hatred a wasted emotion personally. Best of luck to him (except against us)
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Post by lukepiestalker on Sept 24, 2018 10:29:07 GMT
We've gone from factual commenting to dislike to hatred in one fell swoop. How is any of the above either of those last two.
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Post by mersthamred on Sept 24, 2018 11:12:17 GMT
We've gone from factual commenting to dislike to hatred in one fell swoop. How is any of the above either of those last two. Wanting someone to get sacked is hateful. If someone wanted you to get sacked for their own pleasure then you'd probably consider that hateful. Now if it was Steve Evans who has been a proven cheat then at least it would be a bit understandable. I'm not saying the above posts are all hateful but there is an element of that among some fans.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 24, 2018 11:45:59 GMT
The thing about KR is that he steadied the ship and stopped the decline and boy, were we in decline back in 2016! Nobody can dispute that he brought in some talent: Dasilva, Page, JFC in his first window and then Reeves and Clarke in summer 2017. And he was the one to promote Aribo and Konsa to the first team within days of his arrival.
Also, what we shouldn't forget is that when KR arrived a strategic decision was taken for Meire to back away from the limelight. At that point the agenda started to switch back to being all about the football. And KR certainly talked alot about that!
Having stopped the slide and shifted the agenda back to the football, we started so well last season but we all know that many of our wins were not convincing. KR wasn't sacked but his departure has been the best decision of late simply because of the way that Bow has consistently delivered results. First with the same players and now with the latest version of our squad.
Like any player who doesn't make the grade or indeed a player who moves on for £3-5M we can simply thank them for their services to the club and trust that those who remain can improve every month so as to keep the club rising up through the leagues. And this is where the populist agenda stating that the club has been in decline for four and a half years falls over. KR stopped the slide back in 2017 and Bow is taking us up again. Crowds have been consistent with an average of c. 10,000 Charlton fans at every game. The number vs Plymouth was 500 up on the game before. 10,000 might be low compared to three years ago but it is what it is.
KR has moved on and we play Luton on Saturday with the possibility of a fifth consecutive win, climbing the table and improving our promotion prospects.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:29:30 GMT
I can't understand why people dislike Karl. He did what he thought was best but was wrong about 1 up front. I much prefer Lee's tactics but why all the hate? I hope Karl does well. Hate? That word is used nowadays to describe anything including mild disapproval, casual dislike and a bit of mickey taking. Apart from failing at the job he was supposed to do, Robinson couldn't stop grandstanding about how he'd given the Charlton fans their team back and other such patronising crap. I don't think anybody on this forum hates him, but many of us feel let down by his failure (and the manner of it) and and aren't inclined to like him very much. So when he goes to Oxford and falls flat on his face again some of us like to take the mickey a bit. That isn't hate.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Sept 24, 2018 12:32:19 GMT
The thing about KR is that he steadied the ship and stopped the decline and boy, were we in decline back in 2016! Nobody can dispute that he brought in some talent: Dasilva, Page, JFC in his first window and then Reeves and Clarke in summer 2017. And he was the one to promote Aribo and Konsa to the first team within days of his arrival. Also, what we shouldn't forget is that when KR arrived a strategic decision was taken for Meire to back away from the limelight. At that point the agenda started to switch back to being all about the football. And KR certainly talked alot about that! Having stopped the slide and shifted the agenda back to the football, we started so well last season but we all know that many of our wins were not convincing. KR wasn't sacked but his departure has been the best decision of late simply because of the way that Bow has consistently delivered results. First with the same players and now with the latest version of our squad. Like any player who doesn't make the grade or indeed a player who moves on for £3-5M we can simply thank them for their services to the club and trust that those who remain can improve every month so as to keep the club rising up through the leagues. And this is where the populist agenda stating that the club has been in decline for four and a half years falls over. KR stopped the slide back in 2017 and Bow is taking us up again. Crowds have been consistent with an average of c. 10,000 Charlton fans at every game. The number vs Plymouth was 500 up on the game before. 10,000 might be low compared to three years ago but it is what it is. KR has moved on and we play Luton on Saturday with the possibility of a fifth consecutive win, climbing the table and improving our promotion prospects. Well thought out post SR. I find it strange that some would hate a manager just because he doesn't manage us any more. Admittedly he didn't take us as far as he and we would have hoped, but he did an OK job until his tactical limitations meant that it was expedient all round to say ta ra.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:42:35 GMT
Well thought out post SR. I find it strange that some would hate a manager just because he doesn't manage us any more. Admittedly he didn't take us as far as he and we would have hoped, but he did an OK job until his tactical limitations meant that it was expedient all round to say ta ra. There's the 'H' word again. Karl Robinson wasn't doing his job out of love for the Club. He wasn't volunteering his time for nothing. He was being well paid and he failed. KR had no history with CAFC, he wasn't an ex-player who had a reserve of goodwill to fall back on. Why anybody should still have any affection for the man is beyond me, rather than why many Charlton fans dislike him. Robinson was a dud, like Slade before him, and like Fraeye and Luzon and Peeters before them. None of them worthy of any respect in my opinion. Still, different opinions are fair enough. But using the word 'hate' seriously undermines the pro-Robinson argument in my view.
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 24, 2018 13:40:04 GMT
I felt that he often sounded like he had no idea what he was doing and he used to use press conferences to justify what he was doing which I tended to find a little insulting. That he though he could pull the wool over all of our eyes - like the justification for a transfer window failing to deliver what he promised then his outburst at other clubs and their employees. This was made worse when it was discovered that a very similar rant had been had a few transfer windows earlier at MK Dons.
What gave me the worst opinion of him, however, was the way he seemed to be 'trying to fail' in his last few games with us when, it later came out, that he had offered to resign after being tapped up by Oxford. The defeats at MK Dons, at home to Shrewsbury, and the 4-1 hammering at Peterborough might have been excusable but for him to lose at Blackpool (who hadn't won for about ten games) and failing to beet Fleetwood at home when whey had lost something like six games on the bounce all the while he was publicly telling the players that if they wanted to they could go on their summer holidays now they could, looked like he was deliberately wrangling for an exit.
I don't feel like his leaving was, in any way, a loss to us, and I believe that he was using all of the limited talent he had for us up until Oxford offered him a life line, but his behaviour in those last few games looked very unprofessional.
I also wonder if the excessive number of injuries during his time might have bee, in some way down to him. He told everyone that would listen, several times, that he was pushing the players harder in pre-season training than anyone other club so that we would be fitter. Not only might that have caused fatigue but he also admitted, more than once, that he should, maybe, have bought a players off earlier when he came off injured.
I wouldn't say that i have Robinson, but if I could choose just one team, in our division, to fail this season, it would be Oxford. I can't bear the thought of his smug face telling the world how clever he is.
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Post by oldred on Sept 24, 2018 13:52:25 GMT
Certainly no hate from me , or even dislike . I quite liked his openness and enthusiasm when he arrived , and considered him a step up from Slade, and a step in the right direction . As said by SR , he did stop the rot , and brought in some good players , that played better football .
Ultimately , his system was worked out and nullified by other teams and managers , and ceased to be effective . Unfortunately for him , he couldn't or wouldn't change it . Always a love/hate figure amongst fans , and many were happy when he left Charlton . It worked out well for us , as Lee Bowyer has taken us up to a higher level now.
I have no hard feelings , or indeed any feelings , about Robbo to be honest . He came , he did his best, it wasn't good enough ,and he left . End of .
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Post by lukepiestalker on Sept 24, 2018 13:54:59 GMT
Well thought out post SR. I find it strange that some would hate a manager just because he doesn't manage us any more. Admittedly he didn't take us as far as he and we would have hoped, but he did an OK job until his tactical limitations meant that it was expedient all round to say ta ra. There's the 'H' word again. Karl Robinson wasn't doing his job out of love for the Club. He wasn't volunteering his time for nothing. He was being well paid and he failed. KR had no history with CAFC, he wasn't an ex-player who had a reserve of goodwill to fall back on. Why anybody should still have any affection for the man is beyond me, rather than why many Charlton fans dislike him. Robinson was a dud, like Slade before him, and like Fraeye and Luzon and Peeters before them. None of them worthy of any respect in my opinion. Still, different opinions are fair enough. But using the word 'hate' seriously undermines the pro-Robinson argument in my view. Spot on. He was paid handsomely for getting us nowhere and in essence just another patsy in the reign of our unique owner who doesn't fail. Yes he did some reasonable recruitment but that is part of his job. It became quite obvious what he was about and Oxford are seeing the same as did MK before us. This is not hate is a factual appraisal based on his last three jobs. We are not able to discuss any ex employee unless it is in a positive light, now? I was happy when he went that is positive enough. His post match IVs were fast becoming a mawkish watch and his football was not working - time to go. I don't blame him for doing so. While we are at it, shall we start loving Millwall and Palace too. Let's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 16:31:22 GMT
Karl Robinson had three transfer windows to get the squad sorted out. That's more than any other manager or head-coach since Duchatelet has owned the Club.
Finishing 13th after having 30 games of the 2016-17 season to pull things round was below mediocre. It was Charlton's second worst league finish for 90 years. It took us 42 games to even be mathematically clear of relegation.
I know Chris Powell did no better during the season when he took over from Phil Parkinson. But Powell made amends by winning the league the following season. By the time Robinson skulked away last Spring Charlton were virtually out of reach of 6th place and heading for 13th again probably. Lee Bowyer had that team showing more fight in six weeks than Robinson had managed to get out of them all season.
The bloke has done absolutely nothing at Oxford except embarrass the new owner there who put faith in him, presumably after falling for his blarney. From what I've heard many Oxford fans are sick of him already, unsurprisingly.
We are well rid of him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 19:46:59 GMT
We are well rid of him but mainly due to his lack of tactical acumen...
He brought in some very good players but didn’t know how to use them properly... The club were going through a very tough time and he became the link between the club and the fans. Although he often spoke too much he was very committed to helping us improve and did ok until his formation was found out and rumours of a takeover potentially causing his removal as manager making him look elsewhere and like you say Lardi, his professionalism could be called into question. But I won’t slate him as he has been part of our improvement since KF...
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Post by canterburyaddick on Sept 24, 2018 21:23:42 GMT
There does seem to be a load of wasted emotion on a guy who is no longer with us. I found him a decent bloke to talk to and wish him all the best. He wasn't the greatest manager but you have limited choice in L1. I think we have really struck lucky with Bow, but perhaps he'll leave after under-performing at some point and people will be slagging him off too. You have the right, I just don't understand it and Lardi you are usually such a measured guy.
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Post by massivebeak on Sept 24, 2018 21:42:56 GMT
There does seem to be a load of wasted emotion on a guy who is no longer with us. I found him a decent bloke to talk to and wish him all the best. He wasn't the greatest manager but you have limited choice in L1. I think we have really struck lucky with Bow, but perhaps he'll leave after under-performing at some point and people will be slagging him off too. You have the right, I just don't understand it and Lardi you are usually such a measured guy. Seemed people were slagging him off not too long ago to be honest. Just before our run I read several posts that were negative.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 1:52:41 GMT
There does seem to be a load of wasted emotion on a guy who is no longer with us. I found him a decent bloke to talk to and wish him all the best. He wasn't the greatest manager but you have limited choice in L1. I think we have really struck lucky with Bow, but perhaps he'll leave after under-performing at some point and people will be slagging him off too. You have the right, I just don't understand it and Lardi you are usually such a measured guy. I don't waste much time thinking about KR, as he is now part of the past. My last post in this thread was nothing more than opportunist pop at him, because the opportunity arose. In truth Karl Robinson and his failure are only a pale reflection of the harm done by the the one person I really want to waste no more time thinking about. The man Karl Robinson was happy to come and work for.
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Post by cafc2002 on Sept 25, 2018 4:43:24 GMT
Thought he was an alright as a bloke, problem was tactically he was clueless, but he's the one who brought Bowyer in so have a lot to thank him for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 5:15:53 GMT
Just to clarify; My respect - or lack of it - for Charlton Managers past or present is naturally based in small part on my perception of their personalities (what kind of people they are). This perception has always come from what is published by them or about them, since I have never met any of them. Due to my tender age, this perception only goes back with any clarity as far as Alan Curbishley. On my perception of personality / character alone, four managers I have been inclined to respect perhaps more than others were Curbishley, Phil Parkinson, Chris Powell and Jose Riga. However, I accept this perception of personality is very subjective, particularly because it is not based on ever meeting the people concerned. So the greater part of the respect I have for Charlton managers is based on what they have achieved. Achievements too are difficult to compare sometimes, as they are accomplished in different circumstances in different times. For instance, which was the 'greater' achievement - Charlton being promoted to the First Division under Lennie Lawrence in 1986 or under Alan Curbishley in 1998? Fans will have different opinions on this question, but what I try to do as much as possible is to disregard the circumstances and concentrate on the achievement itself. In this case, both Lawrence and Curbishley won promotion to the top flight so their achievements are deserving of equal respect.
My 'standardised' definitions of achievement for Charlton managers requires the league to be divided into four levels; Automatic promotion Play-offs Mid-table Relegation At the end of any given season, the Club will finish in one of those four positions. If a manager improves the position of the team within this four step structure at the end of the season, he has achieved something definable and worthy of respect in my opinion. This is assuming that all things being equal, the Club will most likely finish a season in level 3 (mid-table). When it comes to the Premier League only, I would regard avoiding relegation as a definite achievement as well. Any trophies won are also definite achievements being worthy of respect. So for instance, during his time as Charlton manager Alan Curbishley achieved promotion twice to the Premiership and won two trophies ... the Play-off Final trophy in 1998 and the 1st Division (tier 2) Title trophy in 2000 ... Charlton's first two pieces silverware since 1947 as far as I know. And for six seasons he guided Charlton to Premier League safety. That amounts to 10 definite achievements by the criteria I have defined. Granted Charlton were relegated from the Premiership in 1999 under Curbishley, but even so AC's achievements for Charlton clearly hugely outweigh his failures. He has clearly earned a great deal of respect - as well as gratitude and loyalty - from Charlton supporters. On the other hand, achievements by the managers who have followed Curbishley are few and far between; Iain Dowie | none. | Les Reed | none. | Alan Pardew | none. | Phil Parkinson | 1 (play-offs in 2010) | Chris Powell | 2 (promotion & League One trophy 2012) -1 (dropping Charlton from play-offs to mid-table, 2011) | Jose Riga | 1 (raising Charlton from relegation places to mid table, 2014) | Bob Peeters | none. | Guy Luzon | none. | Karel Fraeye | none. | Jose Riga | none. | Russel Slade | none. | Karl Robinson | none. | Lee Bowyer | 1 (raising Charlton from mid-table to play-offs, 2018) |
Quite apart from how I might feel about their personalities or character, I have respect for Phil Parkinson, Chris Powell, Jose Riga and Lee Bowyer as Charlton Managers because they have all achieved things that in my opinion are worthy of respect. I'm not claiming that this system of defining achievements is the best way - every Charlton fan will feel differently about what constitutes achievements by our managers. But this system does at least add an element of objectivity.
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Post by dartford36 on Sept 25, 2018 6:59:51 GMT
Perhaps the best (only) thing he did for Charlton was to bring in Lee Bowyer into the coaching staff? Anyway, if he gets the sack from Oxford he could easily get a job as a James Corden lookalike.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:09:50 GMT
I don't hold any grudge against KR. He tried his hardest, and his heart was in the right place, even if as a manager, his tactical nous was almost non existant. I did find his perpetual need to be disclaiming in front of a microphone tiresome, and that increased as it became clear it was the only part of management he could really excel at. If he could just throw a blanket over all his chatter and concentrate on getting his teams to win, he might do better in management.
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