|
Post by seriouslyred on Apr 5, 2015 13:08:46 GMT
Agreed Rikofold has made some good contributions and I had the pleasure of a couple of beers with him last year... Thing is, it needs new people to take the lead, not people from the last century.
The club is under different owners, the financials are different and the challenge is different. Its now about stabilising the club and filling empty seats. Anyone bringing instability is not helping.
If you really want to know why new fan leadership is required then ask yourself where the central supporters club disappeared to with its 2,000(?) members. Anyone in a leadership role at that time when fans director and fans equity also vaporised surely should have got a Trust off the ground.
One of the reasons Razil and I got the time of day from Murray, Prothero and the management team is because we were new and our agenda was all about club sustainability NOT mindless criticism and unrealistic calls for more spending.
|
|
|
Post by jonkool on Apr 5, 2015 13:48:38 GMT
Sorry for being an empty head coz I know there have been loads of posts - many if which have been exceedingly long posts - on the makeup of the Trust commitee but can one of you confirm how the members of the trust board were elected? I understand that a process took place to elect Razil's successor and additional members of the board but I will be v interested to understand the process in just 2 or 3 short paragraphs if at all possible. Ps this is not a wind up!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by seriouslyred on Apr 5, 2015 14:02:08 GMT
Sorry for being an empty head coz I know there have been loads of posts - many if which have been exceedingly long posts - on the makeup of the Trust commitee but can one of you confirm how the members of the trust board were elected? I understand that a process took place to elect Razil's successor and additional members of the board but I will be v interested to understand the process in just 2 or 3 short paragraphs if at all possible. Ps this is not a wind up!!!!! The original board was made up of ten volunteers who set the thing up. I became treasurer by "accident" because the original treasurer resigned just after the launch. Razil was elected by the board unopposed to be chair. Then one or two fans were co-opted by the board and it stayed virtually unchanged for 18 months. There were no contested elections at the AGM because not enough candidates stood so all were elected unopposed. Then Powell was sacked, we had G21 and I resigned. I think two others dropped out too? So the board co-opted more fans including Steve Clarke, his daughter, Rikofold and Weegie. Razil left the other week and the board selected Steve to become the new Chair. In summary the board can change the chair and the members can change the board at the AGM - but only if people stand for election. The vast majority of fans will never stand but that doesn't mean they have no interest. Very few fans want no Trust at all and the vast majority of fans I surveyed said that the no.1 priority wad to build a dialogue with the club - remember the Trust was formed nearly 30 months ago when the club were very silent about direction and no fan group was able to secure a meeting with Slater and Jiminez.
|
|
|
Post by overthetop on Apr 5, 2015 16:28:49 GMT
Too many has beens living in the 20th century trying to give 'advice' to our bright new 21st century CEO.
Hunt (Prague) could only survive in business by moving to a developing country - he spouts off about anything and belittles anybody who doesn't agree with his point of view. Everitt has never had a real job and spends his time as a politico in East Kent. Nobody but the Trust clique takes them as serious individuals who have anything to add in the development of the Club.. They've struggled to find a G21er to replace Razil and have ended up with Clarke as the stooge. And pacified him by letting his daughter join the Board. What the fuck does she know about Charlton? What the hell does she know about the operations of a multi million pound business?
And for those that question Everitt's involvement with the Trust Board, then just have a look at the infamous Woolwich meeting. Who has the first input, who has the prepared speech, who has arranged for the videoing of his speech? Wake up and smell the coffee. Everett wants and feels he should have the CEO role. He sees himself as the natural successor of Varney. I bet it was promised to him years ago by his mate Murray, until they fell out.
At least Hayes has a backbone. He sees the issues with the Trust Board and went up in my estimation after knocking back the G21. Certainly his approach to communication appears to be more successful.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 16:48:09 GMT
Change the record Elfsborg!....Meire lost a LOT of credibility over the Peeters sacking........Says who?....The CL and TRUST knob heads who have had the knives out for her for months just waiting for the first opportunity that comes along? You support the TRUST obviously but how can you question KM when they have the likes of Weegie Addick interviewing and publishing a discussion that took place with the hopeless one Chris Powell? You will never see a bigger own goal during the rest of your years than that, what a silly woman. Maybe the board are no angels, your words not mine but I trust them more than I do some Charlton fans put it that way. The Trust see themselves as an asset with an income of £7k-£8k a year and an established fanzine, website and survey technology. Leaving leave that in the hands of Weegieaddick, PragueAddick, Steve Clarke and Airman Brown (behind the scenes) is a major misjudgement in my book as none of them are good enough or clever enough to take it any further forward which is why it is in the early stages of decline, just ask the 50 or so people who have not renewed their memberships and that figure is growing. At the rate they are currently losing members I estimate they will be down 300 (50% of renewals) by the time of the AGM. In three months membership will be below 1,000 for the first time since the takeover.....Ask yourself why. I do not support the TRUST, but have always said that I feel certain individuals would be a help. Hayes IS DEFINITELY NOT a supporter of the trust and he is one of the people I am in favour of. As for changing the record, I think that when I see another of your unnecessary attacks on Powell.
|
|
|
Post by webbo on Apr 5, 2015 17:21:17 GMT
Too many has beens living in the 20th century trying to give 'advice' to our bright new 21st century CEO. Hunt (Prague) could only survive in business by moving to a developing country - he spouts off about anything and belittles anybody who doesn't agree with his point of view. Everitt has never had a real job and spends his time as a politico in East Kent. Nobody but the Trust clique takes them as serious individuals who have anything to add in the development of the Club.. They've struggled to find a G21er to replace Razil and have ended up with Clarke as the stooge. And pacified him by letting his daughter join the Board. What the fuck does she know about Charlton? What the hell does she know about the operations of a multi million pound business? And for those that question Everitt's involvement with the Trust Board, then just have a look at the infamous Woolwich meeting. Who has the first input, who has the prepared speech, who has arranged for the videoing of his speech? Wake up and smell the coffee. Everett wants and feels he should have the CEO role. He sees himself as the natural successor of Varney. I bet it was promised to him years ago by his mate Murray, until they fell out. At least Hayes has a backbone. He sees the issues with the Trust Board and went up in my estimation after knocking back the G21. Certainly his approach to communication appears to be more successful. Wasn't the first input somebody from one of the supporters branches? Didn't a number of speakers have a prepared piece/ wasn't seriously red there to speak from this websites perspective? wasn't there then an open floor session? Everybody who did that kind of thing could be said to be involved couldn't they, like involved in the Trust. it was an open meeting, booked and sorted by the Trust, but paid for with a bucket collection of people there. You have no evidence at all that the trust is in any way controlled or manipulated by Rick Everitt, perhaps you're simply guessing, like the guesswork about the CEO role, or falling out, or promises made. perhaps you would call it an educated guess, or it must be obvious, but that doesn't make it true does it? Are you now going to 'belittle' me for not agreeing with your point of view?
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Apr 5, 2015 17:21:18 GMT
And you never launch any unnecessary attacks on KM then?
|
|
|
Post by jonkool on Apr 5, 2015 18:22:23 GMT
Sorry for being an empty head coz I know there have been loads of posts - many if which have been exceedingly long posts - on the makeup of the Trust commitee but can one of you confirm how the members of the trust board were elected? I understand that a process took place to elect Razil's successor and additional members of the board but I will be v interested to understand the process in just 2 or 3 short paragraphs if at all possible. Ps this is not a wind up!!!!! The original board was made up of ten volunteers who set the thing up. I became treasurer by "accident" because the original treasurer resigned just after the launch. Razil was elected by the board unopposed to be chair. Then one or two fans were co-opted by the board and it stayed virtually unchanged for 18 months. There were no contested elections at the AGM because not enough candidates stood so all were elected unopposed. Then Powell was sacked, we had G21 and I resigned. I think two others dropped out too? So the board co-opted more fans including Steve Clarke, his daughter, Rikofold and Weegie. Razil left the other week and the board selected Steve to become the new Chair. In summary the board can change the chair and the members can change the board at the AGM - but only if people stand for election. The vast majority of fans will never stand but that doesn't mean they have no interest. Very few fans want no Trust at all and the vast majority of fans I surveyed said that the no.1 priority wad to build a dialogue with the club - remember the Trust was formed nearly 30 months ago when the club were very silent about direction and no fan group was able to secure a meeting with Slater and Jiminez. Thanks for that and I now understand the set up. Can't really criticise the way board members are selected. Essentially it's up to volunteers to put themselves forward and clearly there are very few fans prepared to do so which means that I cannot criticise those who do. Having said that it demonstrates that it's very difficult to bring in genuine fresh blood and the same old faces are involved with the same old visions. As I have previously said the pressure is on the Trust to sell themselves to Katrien not the other way around!
|
|
|
Post by overthetop on Apr 5, 2015 19:09:58 GMT
Too many has beens living in the 20th century trying to give 'advice' to our bright new 21st century CEO. Hunt (Prague) could only survive in business by moving to a developing country - he spouts off about anything and belittles anybody who doesn't agree with his point of view. Everitt has never had a real job and spends his time as a politico in East Kent. Nobody but the Trust clique takes them as serious individuals who have anything to add in the development of the Club.. They've struggled to find a G21er to replace Razil and have ended up with Clarke as the stooge. And pacified him by letting his daughter join the Board. What the fuck does she know about Charlton? What the hell does she know about the operations of a multi million pound business? And for those that question Everitt's involvement with the Trust Board, then just have a look at the infamous Woolwich meeting. Who has the first input, who has the prepared speech, who has arranged for the videoing of his speech? Wake up and smell the coffee. Everett wants and feels he should have the CEO role. He sees himself as the natural successor of Varney. I bet it was promised to him years ago by his mate Murray, until they fell out. At least Hayes has a backbone. He sees the issues with the Trust Board and went up in my estimation after knocking back the G21. Certainly his approach to communication appears to be more successful. Wasn't the first input somebody from one of the supporters branches? Didn't a number of speakers have a prepared piece/ wasn't seriously red there to speak from this websites perspective? wasn't there then an open floor session? Everybody who did that kind of thing could be said to be involved couldn't they, like involved in the Trust. it was an open meeting, booked and sorted by the Trust, but paid for with a bucket collection of people there. You have no evidence at all that the trust is in any way controlled or manipulated by Rick Everitt, perhaps you're simply guessing, like the guesswork about the CEO role, or falling out, or promises made. perhaps you would call it an educated guess, or it must be obvious, but that doesn't make it true does it? Are you now going to 'belittle' me for not agreeing with your point of view?
Far from it Webbo. Why would I? So the fact Rick Everitt got a front row opportunity to address the Woolwich meeting is purely coincidental? I attended, but no one allowed me to get up an deliver a pre prepared speech to the masses? Why was that? How many of the G21 were allowed up to deliver their views of how the Club should operate? Who got the Keynote address? It certainly was the Trust Chair - which is what it should have been. It might be my perception. I might be wrong. But your attempt to portray my post as guesswork doesn't make it wrong? Does it? Weegie's article on Powell published in the Trust news on the weekend of his return, to me, shows that the original thrust of the Trust has been usurped by members of the G21. This group failed so miserably to get the support of the fans when they called for a mutiny, they have now decided to integrate their way into the Trust, stick an unelected puppet up as chair (whose idea was it that Clarke should be chair I wonder?) and then see what trouble they can cause. And it's started with the undermining of Katrien. Sorry, but they do not represent me. Or any of the group of 8 of us who are heading off to Hillsborough next Saturday. Where I don't expect to see a single one of them.
|
|
|
Post by webbo on Apr 5, 2015 19:57:13 GMT
it is fair enough to have a point of view I suppose but it doesn't make it true. I was at the meeting, and anybody was allowed to say anything, and everybody was heard who wanted to speak. Any one there could have prepared what they wanted to say, or spoken off the cuff or from the heart. There was no keynote speech as such. Weegie had an interview with Katrien, and then there was an interview with Powell, weegie didn't tell either one what to say, they said what they wanted, and it was put in the magazine. When was a mutiny called for, I didn't hear of one...because it didn't happen unless you can tell me what I missed. And the chair thing has been explained over and over again by rikofold. Anyway, you can interpret events the way you want which is fair enough, it just doesn't mean your interpretation is right is what I am saying.
|
|
|
Post by overthetop on Apr 5, 2015 22:17:00 GMT
Webbo - you don't seem to understand the point I'm making.
Watch the video - Rick's speech is not only the key speech of the evening - even seriously Red said how difficult it was to follow - but I felt at the time that it was a preparation for a 'call to arms'. Just like the heads up of the G21 and testing the water with regard to a ST boycott.
I don't care what's been said about the constitution of the Trust, I still can't get my head around how the current Board has been made up by existing Board members, choosing non Board members to now become Board members. How does that work? Did anyone ask me as a Trust member how I felt about this or even giving me the opportunity to stand?
The fact that the new Chair was a lead signatory of the G21 who were attempting to by pass the Trust in the first place is just laughable. Can't you see that? Where has the subsequent communication with Trust members been since this decision?
Razil was on here daily as the Board member - but we've not heard a peep from Clarke. And it's not just him. I mean Richard Hunt. What possible benefit can that old dinosaur do to drive forward the relationship with the Trust and the owners?
I'm not knocking Weegie's interview per se. What I am knocking is the fact it was put in a Trust news, specifically produced to be released on the day we played Huddersfield where the print run was significantly increased to give to as many people as possible, for nothing. Not to make money because more people were there for the special price match, but to give out as many possible and to create as much animosity ot the owners as possible. Can't you see this? Don't you recognise the damage this has done?
And why is this?
If it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then the chances are it is a duck. And I can't believe for one minute you're stupid enough to believe it should be disguised as anything else.
|
|
|
Post by webbo on Apr 6, 2015 8:23:35 GMT
OTT.I believe what you're saying is that an old guard of supporters are working together, and even openly or secretly plotting to create disruption and dissent against the owners, and to try to get an uprising of supporters because each one has a bitter revenge driven agenda driving them on. My experience of events does not read to me like that at all. Either way in all the stuff happening it is easier to hold on to facts than speculation. You read the public meeting one way, I read it another. However the meeting was open for anybody to speak that surely is a fact, and there has never been an organised season ticket boycott from the Trust, the G21, VOTV, Charlton Life, ITTV or anybody else. Any season ticket boycott has been an individual or personal decision. We will have to agree to disagreewhen it comes to opinion, but I would agree with actual facts when they appear.
|
|
razil
Season Ticket Holder
Posts: 154
|
Post by razil on Apr 21, 2015 17:12:33 GMT
Hi gang...
The Trust board is elected each Agm depending on who has reached the end of their term, it is done by a list but unless there are more candidates than seats it goes uncontested
The board then selects officers it wants and needs from that group
There is also an option to coopt further members onto the board
From memory Last summers agm elected rich pemberton, steve clarke, and another who dropped out due to other commtments, weegie and alex clarke were co opted, I think its up to three per year as more bodies were needed and they had been making good contributions
Rick is not involved behind the scenes more than any other of our more vocal fans, but as a member can have his say like anyone else.
All this conspiracy stuff about the g21 really is bunkum guys, would I set up the thing and spend thousands of hours of my time and stand by and let it be hijacked, no I darn well wouldn't. Its a good and balanced team of sensible people, and there are room for more like that.
I didnt speak at the event and perhaps that was a mistake but it was meant for the good intention that it be about fans and a public meeting rather than the Trust telling people what to think and do.
I have my views abou what happened after that, but for now they will remain my own and are in no way critical of the TB.
If there is another substantial drop in STs this time it will show our original concerns were valid, but happy to be proved wrong on that. Perhaps if we are proved right people will think again about a change of approach.
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Apr 21, 2015 18:33:10 GMT
Razil what are your concerns based on? Finishing in the top half of the table this year?
I understand that your membership figures are also down and continue to drop so are the reasons this is happening valid too?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 20:14:46 GMT
If there is another substantial drop in STs this time it will show our original concerns were valid What are your 'concerns' ? You don't like European owners and managers? Charlton should only select players who were born within the sound of Bow bells? We're a feeder club for SL? Katrien Meire is "incompetent"? Duchatalet is going to sell the Valley and move to the Greenwich Peninsula? How does the number of s/t renewals negate or validate whatever "concerns" it is that the Trust are currently peddling? Did you enjoy the win v Leeds on Saturday?
|
|
razil
Season Ticket Holder
Posts: 154
|
Post by razil on Apr 21, 2015 20:25:28 GMT
Haha one minute we are too concerned on membership, next minute we shd worry. I have retired of course tho. The Trust is long term thing, it will have ups and downs Anyway the concerns we had were all the public disaafection with the club, not cos of poor performances weve been there before and not had anything like what we saw happening. If the views translate into a further drop off in ST sales then we were right to be concerned, it was this problem and its possible reasons that we wanted to discuss direct with KM (this is pretty much the Trusts remit) she refused, and then embarked on a campaign of sorts, so I guess we'll see what the results are. Of course we may have been right and she may have fixed it somewhat, and of course the phenomenom might bottom out. Anyway I've retired, and don't want to comment on events, or press since the meeting.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 7:27:06 GMT
The haughty arrogance of the Trust and the people around it really is breathtaking. Here is Rick Everitt yesterday on the respective merits of the club's CEO, Katrien Meire and the Trust chairman (and former fan's director) Steve Clarke : apparently the latter "actually has more experience as a director of the club - and certainly a more extensive knowledge of it - than she does." This is the problem of the Trust in a nutshell - they genuinely believe that they know how to run the club better from their crappy little homes in Plumstead or wherever they live than the tenth richest man in Belgium and his clearly very smart CEO. I have nothing personal against Steve Clarke or rikofold or their other seven close relatives and G21 co-conspirators on the Trust board. But they need to show some humility and respect. Perhaps it is a two way thing, and all parties need to start afresh. We all want what is best for the football club after all. Whatever people may think about Rick Everitt, he knows an AWFUL lot about this football club(more than most in my opinion) given that he worked there for many years and surely would be a major asset in having an amicable 'relationship' with Meire. It is not too late. New broom sweeps clean , RE = dead wood, get him to tell about the years and year of decline the club hasa suffered under him "management" !!
|
|
|
Post by seriouslyred on Apr 22, 2015 8:51:17 GMT
The Trust is indeed a long term thing but what does it stand for? Through the acquisition and development of young players our club has become sustainable overnight! Yes the sale of one or more of our top young players could wipe out the seasons losses.
We are no longer destined to hit £100m of debt in ten years time with the only escape a risky dash to promotion. And that is the scenario under Pardew which caused all the problems in the first place.
One of the basic aims of the Trust is for a sustainable club for generations to come.
So what has the the Trust to say about this transformation? Not much it seems...Nothing on the Trust website about the club's prospects and direction since last December...A survey asking fans if they want Duchatelet to go (where exactly?!) Interesting comments about season ticket numbers - what is the view about those who release negative attacks on our club over the last 18 months? Those who poison the atmosphere backing old ways of doing things... Those who state results are irrelevant.
The fact that our current squad is streets ahead of the 2012-14 players is not worthy of comment for some. Just an inconvenience interrupting the continuous critique of our club.
No I think some are so busy moaning that they've lost sight of what happens on the pitch. And lost the ability to take a measured view of how and why we as a club have changed. When members of the Trust board bang on about Koc, Nego, Polish Pete and Reza whilst ignoring our front six one wonders what the agenda is?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 10:59:55 GMT
SR, Trust members should be questioning what the Trust Board stand for , not what the Trust stands for, as these probably contradict each other.
Also , we should remember that the CAFC Board allowed Pardew to acquire the crap that he did !
|
|
|
Post by seriouslyred on Apr 22, 2015 12:09:43 GMT
That's my point! We've gone through a lot of change to establish a sustainable model. Powell, Kermorgant, Hamer, Stephens, Poyet, Hart all gone. Many are resisting the change even though they are powerless to stop it. The irony is that the end result aligns with the Trust objective! There's been a lot of noise which will always impact on fans views. And the club haven't spelt out the vision.
But for me, what I see on the pitch is enough to convince me we are in a better place on the football side.
This week's rumours about Gomez confirm what has been clear to those not blinded by fear and rhetoric: namely that talented young players under contract are worth a few quid. If sold they cover the losses. Better still, if they are retained AND more quality added then we move up the league.
The game plan for the club was always to finish mid-table with a new squad settled in. We don't know what the next step will be but on this site we know what it should be. And that's much the same as Tony Watt's recent views.
The silence from the Trust on this matter is deafening!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 19:42:39 GMT
At least Hayes has a backbone. He sees the issues with the Trust Board and went up in my estimation after knocking back the G21. Certainly his approach to communication appears to be more successful. Wise up...he needed to put his trophy in Katriens broom cupboard...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 19:50:26 GMT
At least Hayes has a backbone. He sees the issues with the Trust Board and went up in my estimation after knocking back the G21. Certainly his approach to communication appears to be more successful. Wise up...he needed to put his trophy in Katriens broom cupboard... He might have the keys to the museum taken away from him if he is seen to support the Trust in any way.
|
|
|
Post by weststandfruitloop on Apr 24, 2015 11:34:53 GMT
Too right. What Hayes has isn't "backbone" it's a Messiah complex. He's only in it for himself and sees the Ben Hayes Museum as the best approach (rather that the Trust etc) at present. Googling for stuff about BH I found pieces like this about his fans director election: hogswell.blogspot.co.uk/2006/01/candidate-ben-hayes.htmlhoggcharlton.blogspot.co.uk/2007/01/ben-hayes-to-join-x-factor.htmlMakes you wonder how he ever got elected and why other Charlton fans put up with him? He seems happy to destroy everything about the club in order to feed his own ego? At any other club he would have had his cards punched years ago. Charlton fans are such doormats.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 16:57:06 GMT
Too right. What Hayes has isn't "backbone" it's a Messiah complex. He's only in it for himself and sees the Ben Hayes Museum as the best approach (rather that the Trust etc) at present. Googling for stuff about BH I found pieces like this about his fans director election: hogswell.blogspot.co.uk/2006/01/candidate-ben-hayes.htmlhoggcharlton.blogspot.co.uk/2007/01/ben-hayes-to-join-x-factor.htmlMakes you wonder how he ever got elected and why other Charlton fans put up with him? He seems happy to destroy everything about the club in order to feed his own ego? At any other club he would have had his cards punched years ago. Charlton fans are such doormats. A pompous a*** who always thinks he is right.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 19:34:05 GMT
They say if you give an army of chimps a set of typewriters they will eventually write Shakespeare. So Hayes was destined at some point to get something right, which he did over the Trust.
The problem with Hayes, though, isn't his mosntrous ego, his self-absorbed grandstanding, that he actually knows very little about the technicalities of football or even his truculent sneering at anyone on CL who dares to disagree with him. It's simply that he is a deeply malicious human being lacking any dignity and who is an utter embarassment to his family and anyone who knows him.
I have some e-mails and private messages from Hayes that by some way constitute the foulest, most obnoxious and hateful correspondence I have ever experienced in my 60+ years on this planet - completely nutty and truculent abuse that had the most tangential connection with the real world. In the end, the harrassment was such that I had to put a blocking filter on e-mails from him.
Why AFKA Bartram tolerates him on CL, I don't know. When I had my run in with Hayes and forwarded to AFKA the malicious messages oozing with evil that Hayes had sent me, he made it clear that he had nothing but contempt for the guy. I understand Hayes was briefly 'suspended' from CL as a result. But he was soon allowed back, of course, and carried on his bullying exactly as before.
Ugh. The guy makes my skin crawl.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 19:50:08 GMT
They say if you give an army of chimps a set of typewriters they will eventually write Shakespeare. So Hayes was destined at some point to get something right, which he did over the Trust. The problem with Hayes, though, isn't his mosntrous ego, his self-absorbed grandstanding, that he actually knows very little about the technicalities of football or even his truculent sneering at anyone on CL who dares to disagree with him. It's simply that he is a deeply malicious human being lacking any dignity and who is an utter embarassment to his family and anyone who knows him. I have some e-mails and private messages from Hayes that by some way constitute the foulest, most obnoxious and hateful correspondence I have ever experienced in my 60+ years on this planet - completely nutty and truculent abuse that had the most tangential connection with the real world. In the end, the harrassment was such that I had to put a blocking filter on e-mails from him. Why AFKA Bartram tolerates him on CL, I don't know. When I had my run in with Hayes and forwarded to AFKA the malicious messages oozing with evil that Hayes had sent me, he made it clear that he had nothing but contempt for the guy. I understand Hayes was briefly 'suspended' from CL as a result. But he was soon allowed back, of course, and carried on his bullying exactly as before. Ugh. The guy makes my skin crawl. I'm sorry to hear that, it does not sound very nice.
|
|
|
Post by squareball on Apr 24, 2015 20:26:42 GMT
They say if you give an army of chimps a set of typewriters they will eventually write Shakespeare. So Hayes was destined at some point to get something right, which he did over the Trust. The problem with Hayes, though, isn't his mosntrous ego, his self-absorbed grandstanding, that he actually knows very little about the technicalities of football or even his truculent sneering at anyone on CL who dares to disagree with him. It's simply that he is a deeply malicious human being lacking any dignity and who is an utter embarassment to his family and anyone who knows him. I have some e-mails and private messages from Hayes that by some way constitute the foulest, most obnoxious and hateful correspondence I have ever experienced in my 60+ years on this planet - completely nutty and truculent abuse that had the most tangential connection with the real world. In the end, the harrassment was such that I had to put a blocking filter on e-mails from him. Why AFKA Bartram tolerates him on CL, I don't know. When I had my run in with Hayes and forwarded to AFKA the malicious messages oozing with evil that Hayes had sent me, he made it clear that he had nothing but contempt for the guy. I understand Hayes was briefly 'suspended' from CL as a result. But he was soon allowed back, of course, and carried on his bullying exactly as before. Ugh. The guy makes my skin crawl. Is that for real?
|
|
|
Post by overthetop on Apr 25, 2015 7:22:52 GMT
I think we need to see the evidence, incorruptible.
|
|
|
Post by seriouslyred on Apr 25, 2015 23:35:01 GMT
Of all the people I encountered when on the Trust Board, Rick Everitt has a knowledge of the operations at the club and a way of acting professionally and dealing with issues, not putting in two footed tackles. I disagree fundamentally with his positioning and views on strategy but that's fine.
I'm afraid to say that the rest are jockeying for position with their branches of 100 fans in Bromley and NWKent etc. And some idiot facilitated this by setting up a "fans forum" which takes one representative from each group.
They play the angles and many have been doing this for ten years and more... Sad? Pointless?
Most importantly when the chips were down as fan equity was wiped out or when we had the takeover 18 months back it's very clear who supports a unified voice for fans and who is playing for his own agenda.
As people know, I put a lot of work into setting up a supporters Trust. For sure I was able to meet people and gain a better understanding of the club but the main thing is that I left with something in place that provides something for the future. I am bemused by those links simply because I wasn't involved before September 2012 and yet people still take this guy seriously?
If more, sensible fans step up then this type of behaviour won't continue...the fans get the representation they deserve.
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Mar 1, 2016 23:14:06 GMT
|
|