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Post by jonkool on Oct 28, 2013 20:34:19 GMT
I can't really disagree with this - the football hasn't been at all pretty even in the 101 year! Lovely man, great pro but sadly no beautiful game since he has been in charge! One certainty is that he won't be the CAFC gaffer when Sheik Ebbsfleet rides in on his camel
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 28, 2013 21:46:05 GMT
With all due respect sollied I think you are clutching at straws and making excuses for Powell. The fact that you and hundreds of others do that only proves my point.
Nobody is hurling insults at anybody, I take exception to being accused of having a hatred for CP which infuriates me, there is no substance to base that on, I have openly said I do not rate him as a manager and that is my opinion which I am entitled to but twisting it into a personal thing is pathetic and very childish.
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Post by bigandy99 on Oct 28, 2013 23:17:57 GMT
I can't really disagree with this - the football hasn't been at all pretty even in the 101 year! Lovely man, great pro but sadly no beautiful game since he has been in charge! One certainty is that he won't be the CAFC gaffer when Sheik Ebbsfleet rides in on his camel There's gonna be a lot of sand in Kent by the sounds of it !! - let's hope some makes it up the A2
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Post by paulmortimer on Oct 28, 2013 23:41:25 GMT
Beautiful game? If you want that, go pay a grand and get a ST at the Emirates. I am not happy about Pritch on the right and the fact that we don't have a striker who's a goal threat. However, we've bucked our ideas up since Burnley! Who'd of thought that was possible? I was calling for Powell's head post-M*llwall If (I think when actually), we stay up, Powell needs to be more astute with his signings; hopefully he'll learn from this summer.
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Post by sollyisquality on Oct 29, 2013 0:14:14 GMT
Sundays game was a very good example of championship football, there was good inter changeable play there were instances of quality and there was missed opportunities, but over all there was a willingness to compete and to win the game,
some of the posts here let opinions on the manager over ride the reality of what was on display, I was at Blackburn and I was there Sunday, and this team are missing something and that is a break in whom the ball falls to , to get the first goal at Blackburn it fell to church who was full of confidence from the welsh team, this week it fell to Pritchard, now I can see the weaknesses in the player, but I have played the game at a pretty high level and those that criticise him it shows you have not, For the frailties of him Crossing, shooting you get the energy and commitment and the ability to be in the right areas of a football pitch at both ends , on more than one occasion he was in the box unable to finish, on several if not more he was able to cover back and stop , block or break up play from Wigan's attack
if we are going to be observers of this team and not supporters which some are coming across as at least observe the positives and negatives of the play
big andy and his summary was spot on Vol if you were there you are wrong and Reams you don't see the game in its best form through the voice of bbc London or cafc player so I wouldn't take the story board they present as an actual representation of the play
the facts of the matter are since forest there has been a drastic improvement on our shape structure and endeavour, this needed to happen, It is October not Feb and you have been around football long enough to know that to finish first, first you have to finish and by being as careless and expansive as the requests I have read resulted in us not being able to finish the game let alone first in a two horse race
you build from the back and move forward, I will tell you as fact that chris powell has had not his arms tied back but chopped off by the lack of money made available to him and the players we so desperately need cost money
if people want to blame anyone blame the person who has no money to support his toy
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 29, 2013 17:17:27 GMT
I will tell you as fact that chris powell has had not his arms tied back but chopped off by the lack of money made available to him and the players we so desperately need cost money if people want to blame anyone blame the person who has no money to support his toy Rubbish, loans don't come cheap and neither do strikers who have done nothing for us.
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Post by sollyisquality on Oct 29, 2013 18:07:49 GMT
Apart from sordell who chris powell rates we got no one on the list that was provided in the 2 weeks leading up to the 9th place finish
Even though sordell was on that list he was 3rd choice
The reason being there is no money
Sordell imo could come good but we may not have not paid anything towards him yet and I expect him to go back in jan with a big bill of unpaid percentage of wages
I can't say much more than that without proving it but let's say you and I both know that where I get things from are not too far from yours
Jan will speak volumes sky money will be gone
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 29, 2013 18:18:53 GMT
SWordell cost Bolton £3m so saying he could come good spells out exactly what I am saying, Powell saw a £3m tagged striker available for loan and without watching him play signed him for 6 months!!! Craziness!
Please try and understand that the 'There is no money' excuse is a myth, loan players cost money lots of it and the choices made by Powell in every department have been shocking....Razak, Frimpong, Nouble, Hulse the list goes on and on and it gets no better the more you go down it. There has been money this season and last and Powell has blown it on utter garbage.
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Post by sollyisquality on Oct 29, 2013 19:13:59 GMT
They only cost if you pay
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 29, 2013 20:47:08 GMT
Who do you think pays their wages?
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Post by sollyisquality on Oct 29, 2013 21:34:57 GMT
Depends how the deal was structured at conception and who and what was part of the deal
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Post by jonkool on Oct 29, 2013 22:27:30 GMT
But the list of loan signings inc the little lad from Liverpool in his first half season in charge has been really poor! Also why did he take us down a blind alley early in the season selecting Hughesy and Gower as twin CMs in match day 1?
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 29, 2013 23:01:54 GMT
He spent most of the early summer chasing Gower believe it or not!
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Post by jonkool on Oct 30, 2013 6:53:50 GMT
We know he wanted Gower in order to improve our ball retention but we all saw that his legs had gone after a year of non action for Swans stiffs when he came on loan last spring. So having seen him close up why I why sign him in June and then discard him by October???
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Post by addickted on Oct 30, 2013 7:40:26 GMT
@ sollied, I disagree with your analysis, but fair play for explaining it. Is the irony lost on you and our friend addickted that Reams lets you have a dig at his expense? Have a look at the John Lawson thread on CL, where dear old Henry "I raise money for charidee" Irving is weeping tears of rage because someone criticised CL in the Voice. LOL. At least you are ALLOWED an alternative view on here ! No I can't. But then I'm not a fully qualified football coach or a manager of a club who is aware of the fitness or not of the players I have available. Yet so many people on here obviously are.
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Post by addickted on Oct 30, 2013 7:44:07 GMT
@ sollied, I disagree with your analysis, but fair play for explaining it. Is the irony lost on you and our friend addickted that Reams lets you have a dig at his expense? Have a look at the John Lawson thread on CL, where dear old Henry "I raise money for charidee" Irving is weeping tears of rage because someone criticised CL in the Voice. LOL. At least you are ALLOWED an alternative view on here ! Who's having a dig at Reams? Just that some of us our glass is half full, not half empty.
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Post by sollyisquality on Oct 30, 2013 7:47:47 GMT
The words said by pothero during the discussions with gower for this deal was that he sees gowers arrival last season coincide with the upturn of results
I also can tell you that gower was also on page 2 of the summer list
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Post by sollyisquality on Oct 30, 2013 7:59:38 GMT
Vol for clarity my post was not a dig at reams
I was very careful as I didn't want it to come across as you were not there your view is not valid and that is not the case at all
I was saying that the picture painted by radio is not a clear picture and that sunday was a competitive and not as drab affair as it may have sounded
Reams in his posts comes across as someone who actually does understand football from a football perspective and I believe he understood my post was not a dig
I couldn't care what is being said on charlton life as I see all places for fans to interact as important and of value
I wouldn't insult here and I won't criticise there nor the people on either
Like I said before I treat forums like pubs
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Post by sollied on Oct 30, 2013 9:01:21 GMT
SWordell cost Bolton £3m so saying he could come good spells out exactly what I am saying, Powell saw a £3m tagged striker available for loan and without watching him play signed him for 6 months!!! Craziness! Please try and understand that the 'There is no money' excuse is a myth, loan players cost money lots of it and the choices made by Powell in every department have been shocking....Razak, Frimpong, Nouble, Hulse the list goes on and on and it gets no better the more you go down it. There has been money this season and last and Powell has blown it on utter garbage. I'd say Hulse was a good loan signing actually and put a real shift in for us. I like how you've missed out the better loanes he's signed Obika, Parrett, Ephraim, Russel and N'guessan.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 30, 2013 17:31:37 GMT
@ sollied, I disagree with your analysis, but fair play for explaining it. Is the irony lost on you and our friend addickted that Reams lets you have a dig at his expense? Have a look at the John Lawson thread on CL, where dear old Henry "I raise money for charidee" Irving is weeping tears of rage because someone criticised CL in the Voice. LOL. At least you are ALLOWED an alternative view on here ! No I can't. But then I'm not a fully qualified football coach or a manager of a club who is aware of the fitness or not of the players I have available. Yet so many people on here obviously are. I do believe our glorious manager is not a fully qualified football coach either? What I learned about football came from my old man and CP could spend a lifetime trying to teach met the same things but he wouldn't get near.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 30, 2013 17:35:28 GMT
SWordell cost Bolton £3m so saying he could come good spells out exactly what I am saying, Powell saw a £3m tagged striker available for loan and without watching him play signed him for 6 months!!! Craziness! Please try and understand that the 'There is no money' excuse is a myth, loan players cost money lots of it and the choices made by Powell in every department have been shocking....Razak, Frimpong, Nouble, Hulse the list goes on and on and it gets no better the more you go down it. There has been money this season and last and Powell has blown it on utter garbage. I'd say Hulse was a good loan signing actually and put a real shift in for us. I like how you've missed out the better loanes he's signed Obika, Parrett, Ephraim, Russel and N'guessan. If you think any of those were good signings then I no longer wish to waste my time discussing the matter. To a man that were fecking pony!! You only saw Obika in the last 5 minutes of game yet to Charlton fans he was the new Van Basten!! Russell hasn't played above L1 since he left us, N'Guessan is there now with Swindon, Perrett went to Yeovil recently and Ephraim I would suspect is Sunday league by now! Good signings??!!
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Post by sollied on Oct 30, 2013 19:20:02 GMT
I'd say Hulse was a good loan signing actually and put a real shift in for us. I like how you've missed out the better loanes he's signed Obika, Parrett, Ephraim, Russel and N'guessan. If you think any of those were good signings then I no longer wish to waste my time discussing the matter. To a man that were fecking pony!! You saw Obika in the last 5 minutes of game but to Charlton he's the new Van Basten!! Russell hasn't played above L1 since he left us, N'Guessan is there now with Swindon, Perrett went to Yeovil recently and Ephraim I would suspect is Sunday league by now! Good signings??!! I think you have missed the point they were good signings for the league we were in at the time, obviously they wouldn't be suitable now otherwise we would of kept them. Obika however I believe would do better than what we currently have. He has the desire to play and when he was given the chance came in and scored goals for us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 19:53:46 GMT
Sollied
Is the point you are trying to make that CP is forced to sign tat because we are skint, and that therefore we are a poor side because of this ?
Sorrell isn't playing for us for shirt buttons. I have it on very , very good authority that he is on 75k a month wages. We are meeting some of that. Powell has pissed that money up the wall. His choice. Ditto Button, signed for £250k last year. Not needed, never played, Brentford had to bail us out.
CP has had just as much support as many other Championship managers, but fans like friend addickted and yourself will never take the blinkers off.
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Post by sollied on Oct 30, 2013 22:14:27 GMT
Sollied Is the point you are trying to make that CP is forced to sign tat because we are skint, and that therefore we are a poor side because of this ? Sorrell isn't playing for us for shirt buttons. I have it on very , very good authority that he is on 75k a month wages. We are meeting some of that. Powell has pissed that money up the wall. His choice. Ditto Button, signed for £250k last year. Not needed, never played, Brentford had to bail us out. CP has had just as much support as many other Championship managers, but fans like friend addickted and yourself will never take the blinkers off. The point I'm trying to make is that generally quality costs and good forwards will cost money. We don't have that. There is no way we're paying anywhere near 75 k for sordell if we refused to pay that to Fuller, and I also still think Sordell will come good in the end. Can't defend the Button signing as I have said earlier on in this thread, however to say Powell pissed that money up the wall is nonsense. How many of you were calling for Powell to sign a second keeper in the summer when we only had Pope and Hamer for example. CP has had nowhere near as much support as other clubs, look at Barnsley even and the money they've spent on players like Dale Jennings. The fact is I doubt many other clubs were only able to sign 3 new permanent signings this years. Powells hand are tied behind his back, he can't sign the players he wants and unfortunately this has left us looking at other players, who probably wouldn't make his 'C' List. Is time to start supporting CP, no he's not the best manager in the world. Nowhere near in fact. However you, Reams and any other Anti-Powells out there need to look at his situation and think, who else could do any better? The guy got us ninth last year with hardly any investment, I believe many other managers would of had us in a dogfight at the bottom. You need to give a balanced argument and except that Powell has done this club a hell of a lot of good, a lot more than bad. Yes some of his signings are dodgy especially his loans but he's also uncovered some real gems who will fight tooth and nail for this club, a lot more than can be said for previous players. There isn't 'two' sides to this so stop trying to make it out as if me and Addickted are two Powell loving freaks who think he can do no wrong. I've told you I think he has faults, its just a shame you and Reams can't see the many positives he's done for this club.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 30, 2013 22:33:39 GMT
1) You don't bring in £3m rate loan strikers hoping they'll come good in the end mate, you need them to hit the ground running, he hasn't.
2) I was one who said we need competition for Hamer, I also suggested Tom Heaton who was available on a free but he went to Burnley. Dean Gerken another keeper I have touted on here also went on a free to Ipswich. Maybe we don't have the money to compete but if we stopped paying fecking silly money for underachieving strikers like we have last season and this we might get somewhere.
3) Look at Barnsley you say, cross the Pennines to the West you have Sean Dyche at Burnely, he's had no money! Hasn't hurt him very much has it?
4) You and Reams? Jesus do you think we are the only one's who feel the way we do? Problem is we only say what others are thinking sadly most people don't have the bollocks to stick to their guns on Powell's inadequacies. Uncovered some real gems?......ridiculous thing to say.
5) Not my call but Sheff Utd fans were saying the same about David Weir recently up until there was a take over that is and .....Bang the trigger was pulled!
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Post by stroodaddick on Oct 31, 2013 14:10:29 GMT
Reams you mentioned DD taking place again in the opening post on this thread....any updates or idea who's involved??
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Post by bigandy99 on Oct 31, 2013 18:45:22 GMT
Let's hope it's men with towels on their heads!
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 31, 2013 19:18:13 GMT
No update as yet it's just an interested party and a slow process, won't happen overnight but hopeful we will have new owners by teh turn of the year.
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Post by jonkool on Oct 31, 2013 20:35:04 GMT
What I heard it won't happen until we go into Admin!
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 31, 2013 20:36:57 GMT
Oh yes definitely, forgot to mention the one step back before the two steps forward.
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