Why we did not make it

[valleyviper]

According tp Pardew the reason we never made the play-off's or automatic promotion was because The Team LOST too may games, refer P566 ITV teletex yesterday..

Great, he kept existing players, trains them, buys and loans others and He blames The Team, how can The Board pay this man thousands a week to state the obvious? when the Fans could see for themselves the blame sits firmly on his shoulders.

He's the most static manager I've seen in years, on a par with the last England manager, standing folded arms shrugging at the inevitable bad performance orchestrated by him, in a word Hopeless!

[reamsofverse]

The general feeling on other forums Vv is that he will walk at the end of the season and if that turns out to be the case I really do think that he is QPR bound.

It might sound trivial but my train of thought on this derives from the fact that he was dressed up to the 9's for the rcent game at Loftus Road, at Barnsley yesterday it was back to the tracksuit.

I do not wish to turn this forum into the a Pards out campaign but I fear for us with him at the helm next season purely based on this one.

He has alot of repair to do not to mention the building of bridges with alot of the fans who it would appear judging on reaction elsewhere have had enough.

[swordfish]

On the other hand, getting another manager in, you have to provide the necessary transfer budget to build THEIR team. Apart from being accused of panicking again and not giving Pards the time to complete the team, we simply cannot afford another change.

I know I'm probably in the minority on this board, but I'm all for letting him try and correct the squad and the tactics for next season. We'll see soon enough if he's on the right track or not...

[TheRevHansUpskirt]

swordfish, there really is little option.
When Pardew joined us I think just about everyone was pleased and that the right man had joined us.
He's failed miserably up to now but we simply 'cannot' go chopping and changing yet again.
He's been successful elsewhere, so we just 'have to' live in hope that he can turn things around.
The selling of Andy Reid(not his doing I may add) really torpedoed the season for us and I'd like to think had he stayed we would at least be in the playoffs.
I'm going to give him until the January window, if it's not looking too healthy by then, then I think it will be regrettably time to say bon voyage!
I've met him on a few occasions and he's genuinely a nice charismatic level headed individual, those attributes alone don't make him a successful manager for Charlton Athletic of course but I'm not going to diss the guy because he can't/wont have cut the mustard with us, it will simply be a crying shame when you consider he looked for all the world like the right man for the job.
Reames I hope you read this post and consider very carefully it's content, there's 'nothing' to be gained at this stage in destroying the guy completely,his race is not yet run, he and we may yet fail but it ain't all over till the fat lady sings and it's my guess she wont be singing until around December/ January time, if at all.

[swordfish]

Hey, check it out fellas - two people, on this website... HAVE AGREED!! Get out the cake! Call the papers!! ;D

We're on the same wavelength pal, like your style

[bingaddick]

I think that Pards has messed things up this season. He failed in his primary objective of getting us, at least, to the Play Off's. He has not had a great deal of luck with some injuries at crucial times but much of the failure has been down to the chopping and changing.

He is a victim of his own positive personality. "Something must be done to improve results/performances so I am doing it" sums up what I suspect he would have been saying to himself.

Notwithstanding this though, I feel that to change manager again would be foolish. I think he should be given the chance to prove his critics wrong and given another season.

[reamsofverse]

I don't think I have criticised Pardew yet on the new site to be honest

However I have to admit that the position we are in worries me and the blame has to lie at the manager's door.

I just cannot see him being given what he got last year to spend on players, and on top of that I do not think we are as an exciting club to join as we were last year either.

He has a two year plan of which the first has gone down thr drain so he has a year left to put things right, he has to roll two years into one for his plan to succeed but on less resources than he had from day one.

Pardew is capable of turning things around I will give him that, but there is no more room for failure and some of the names being banded about will im afraid result in it, he has to set his sights higher than lower league footballers, if he must continue with this outlook I would ask him to raid Mk Dons for Keith Andrews and Dean Lewington, then pop over to Peterborough for Aaron McLean, anybody else please leave where they are Alan.

My biggest fears are as follows:

If he spends what he is given and we get off to a bad start and he decides to leave rather than face failure, a new manager will ahve little or no cash to build his own squad, this will put managers off and god knows who we might end up with.

Secondly it is clear that our current squad is nowhere near good enough, I would say we need 5 or 6 players and I would think most people would agree, but will we hear the excuse that we have heard this year like "The team needs time to gel".

When you assemble an average side it will always need improving and we cannot have the excuses as above, if it really takes that long to mould a side based on old and new players, bring in new coaches and promote Kins to assistant manager, people who can drum it in to the players that they need to acclimatise fast as we are a superb club to play and give reasons like their own personal experiences when wearing the red shirt.

The season we went up in 2000 it struck me how much the togetherness of the squad stood out, if you knew no better you would think that they were all Charlton born and bred playing for the badge, shirt and fans.......All these ingredients have been a million miles away this season.

Im behind the players and the club however Pards is still to win me over however I am open to being won over but he needs to improve a hell of a lot before he restores my faith.

[swordfish]

I think the main difference in 2000 was the fact that the squad had been together for a whole season first. The likes of Stuart and Pringle came in to the previous campaign late, and Kiely joined at the start of the season, but the 'guts' of the squad remained.

Since Dowie, we've just not had a consistant squad for the players to bond. I'm sure there are a few players in the current squad that aren't anywhere near their full potential simply because they don't know the rest of the players well enough... Personally OR professionally.

[canterburyaddick]

I'm definately with the give Pardew more time camp. I can't think of a single side that profited by chopping and changing managers so much, but many that have done well by supporting them. I think the emense pressure that the team was under to get promotion didn't help. When Reid left Pardew had to make it work without a play maker and adopted sh*t or bust tactics i.e. loanees.
Let's see how he does with a more settled side. I do not think we will get that with a new manager, who will want more time again.

[reamsofverse]

Welcome mstone good to see your name on here

[valleyviper]

Agreed, but in the first instance to blame the team and not his player selection, substitution policy and the long ball game played since January to accomodate Lita, instead of himself which we all would have understood, Pardew must accept that the results fall squarely with him and his No 2, Parky.

Obviously keep him until January and if we are still playing the long ball game to another tall striker and are out of the top six, he'll have to go.

Reams, comments regarding Kins for assistant, agreed, but he was brought in by the Club Board whereas Parky is a Pardew buddy, will Pardew want someone looking over his shoulder watching his every move, Parky to go replaced by Kins, yes, but where would that leave Robson?

[reamsofverse]

Can't Robson take care of the reserves and offload Parkinson?

To go forward to need to get rid of the extravagence that is still lingering around the club.

I cannot think of another Championship club who has a three man management team or if you really want to be picky who goes on Spanish team building excercises twice a year like we have done.

We must stop pampering them, get the bloody wheely bins full of ice cold water again this summer, let them know things are going to change around the place, make things less flambuoyant, stop treating them like superstars and we will see who wants it next season and who doesn't, those who don't get rid of them and bring in players who want it.

[swordfish]

Mmmmm... I know a lot of people have a problem with Parky, but I always lean toward the notion that a manager would rather appoint his own assistant

I'd love to see Kins as manager in due course - I certainly can't think of a more natural leader or motivator than him, and he certainly has brains - but I think if you give Parky the Chop, you may as well give Pards the chop too because when boards start controlling managers too much it usually goes tits-up.

Only my opinion though; I'm not saying I'm right

[NewX]

My opinion for what its worth is that Pards should go.
I thought he was the best that we could get at the time. I though he would do better than he has done.
Now i have to say, i don't have the confidence in him to be able to change things round next season.
I don't like the guy, i think he is an arrogant twat who keeps going on about West Ham - i also feel he has very little affection for Charlton.
that said, if he had done well for us, i wouldn't hve cared.

I really believe that we have gone backwards since Pardew joined us. So far back infact that i feel we need to sit back rebuild the team and accept that its going to take a couple of seasons to get back to where we were.
I don't blame any of the board, i would have done exactly what they have done.

[sidcupsid]

While I agree we have to stick with Pardew until Jan (simply because we have no choice) I don't altogether agree that good managers will think twice about coming here because of the money situation.
I believe motivation is equally as important as spending millions,Pards clearly hasn't got motivation skills.
It really pains me to say it but Warnock at Palace,who has had just a few months and no spending power has done a fantastic job ,as has Kevin Blackwell at Sheffield United,both these managers use motivation and passion,so it is not always about money.
Now what of the future?As a manager we have to see if he can complete the job,but as his motivation skills are so crap I agree with other posters, the board should promote Kins in the summer to Assistant Manager because although he hasn,t got the managerial skills he sure as hell has got the motivational ones and he would make sure whoever wears the shirt would wear it with pride and passion in their play as he himself has always done for us.
Even though this has been a crap season I am still looking forward to next season because I would still rather go up north to watch Charlton play Hartlepool than cross the road to watch Chelsea v Man.Utd.

UP THE ADDICKS

[reamsofverse]

Great post sidcupsid

[swordfish]

Agreed. Some valid points here. Let's hope that one way or the other we get there