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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 5:34:49 GMT
The cack handed way that the club has handled our away allocation for Reading should surely give the club pause for thought.
The drummer & his pals have missed out on tickets for this one, seemingly at the expense of the Home Counties day trippers who have 3,000 Valley Gold points.
This is plain wrong - and stupid.
I don’t know the drummer personally, although I briefly spoke to him at Barnsley on Saturday. But what I do know is that over the previous three seasons, at places like Fleetwood and Accrington and Shrewsbury, him and his mates have been there week in, week out, at great expense, creating a terrific atmosphere & lifting the team.
It cannot be beyond the wit of man - and Tony Keohane - to devise a loyalty points system at Charlton whereby you get extra points if you do make the trips to the Rochdales and Oldhams, like they do.
We took 778 to Barnsley last Saturday, yet out of nowhere we quickly sell 2,200 for Reading. Judging by many of the comments on Charlton Twitter, a lot of these Reading day trippers will be attending their only away game of the season.
I suspect the drummer & his mates will be back with us for the slightly more daunting visit to Millwall coming up, but the club should be rewarding and incentivising away day loyalty, rather than for looking at ways to piss these fans off. We need them.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 21, 2019 5:39:12 GMT
All that is needed is a points system, PURELY based on away games attended.
Afterwards Season Ticket holders then Valley Gold.
Simples.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 6:05:36 GMT
The cack handed way that the club has handled our away allocation for Reading should surely give the club pause for thought. The drummer & his pals have missed out on tickets for this one, seemingly at the expense of the Home Counties day trippers who have 3,000 Valley Gold points. This is plain wrong - and stupid... Top post @roystonreturns This is what you get when Duchatelet hires PR people to make him a nice looking website and pay lip service to having better relations with the fans, but in reality just operates as a box-ticking numbers based operation with about as much connection to Charlton supporters as the local council parking fine computer. Any Club that wants to gain every advantage it can playing in a higher league would make sure that things which come from the fans themselves and inspire them on away days are looked after, encouraged and helped where necessary. Any Club with a proper relationship with its fans, that is. This lot couldn't even be bothered to check that they put the right picture on the big screen when they pay 'tribute' to a player from our history who has passed away. And nothing has really improved since then. They have people who don't know working for bosses who don't care. They are scum, and one day we will be well rid of them. In the meantime expect nothing - and you won't be disappointed.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 21, 2019 6:24:18 GMT
The cack handed way that the club has handled our away allocation for Reading should surely give the club pause for thought. The drummer & his pals have missed out on tickets for this one, seemingly at the expense of the Home Counties day trippers who have 3,000 Valley Gold points. This is plain wrong - and stupid. I don’t know the drummer personally, although I briefly spoke to him at Barnsley on Saturday. But what I do know is that over the previous three seasons, at places like Fleetwood and Accrington and Shrewsbury, him and his mates have been there week in, week out, at great expense, creating a terrific atmosphere & lifting the team. It cannot be beyond the wit of man - and Tony Keohane - to devise a loyalty points system at Charlton whereby you get extra points if you do make the trips to the Rochdales and Oldhams, like they do. We took 778 to Barnsley last Saturday, yet out of nowhere we quickly sell 2,200 for Reading. Judging by many of the comments on Charlton Twitter, a lot of these Reading day trippers will be attending their only away game of the season. I suspect the drummer & his mates will be back with us for the slightly more daunting visit to Millwall coming up, but the club should be rewarding and incentivising away day loyalty, rather than for looking at ways to piss these fans off. We need them. Why have they not got tickets Royston..? I’m not sure it’s easy to understand from your post... I think the system is shit as I stated on the Reading away thread , but the tickets were on sale for over 7 days and were on general sale for 8 hours on Tuesday , have they all been abroad and away from internet connection...? Do they not use this forum or Charlton Life where there have been threads where everyone (bar elfie) said we would sell out and kept readers updated on how many tickets were remaining...? Unless we have 2 drummers there is a drummer at home games every week , this guy at least must of been eligible on Thursday the worst way , even if his mates interchange on a weekly basis and they have less than the required 100 points then they were able to purchase for 8 hours on Monday... I think that calling our fans “day trippers” is very condescending , we have sold 2k tickets , unless you were under a rock and wasn’t aware we sold 37k for Wembley , I’d suggest that 2k tickets for any match local could be under threat of selling out , even you yourself said it would definitely sell out a week before it did actually sell out.. The drummer is great , I sit close to him at home games , and it will be a shame if he’s not at Reading but if you are seriously saying that he and his mates don’t have themselves partly to blame for not being aware tickets were on sale and purchasing them , and that it’s the fault of Charlton fans who possibly through work ,family commitments and money reasons can’t make fortnightly away trips , is a poor show on your part imo.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 21, 2019 6:29:00 GMT
The cack handed way that the club has handled our away allocation for Reading should surely give the club pause for thought. The drummer & his pals have missed out on tickets for this one, seemingly at the expense of the Home Counties day trippers who have 3,000 Valley Gold points. This is plain wrong - and stupid... Top post @roystonreturns This is what you get when Duchatelet hires PR people to make him a nice looking website and pay lip service to having better relations with the fans, but in reality just operates as a box-ticking numbers based operation with about as much connection to Charlton supporters as the local council parking fine computer. Any Club that wants to gain every advantage it can playing in a higher league would make sure that things which come from the fans themselves and inspire them on away days are looked after, encouraged and helped where necessary. Any Club with a proper relationship with its fans, that is. This lot couldn't even be bothered to check that they put the right picture on the big screen when they pay 'tribute' to a player from our history who has passed away. And nothing has really improved since then. They have people who don't know working for bosses who don't care. They are scum, and one day we will be well rid of them. In the meantime expect nothing - and you won't be disappointed. Very disappointed that you think this is a “top post” lardiman , expected it from Royston’s little follower Elfin...
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Post by bigandy99 on Aug 21, 2019 6:49:20 GMT
It’s not all about Valley Gold.. between some phases there were only 5 hours.. there must be other reasons why certain fans didn’t get a ticket..
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Post by Mundell on Aug 21, 2019 7:29:01 GMT
All that is needed is a points system, PURELY based on away games attended. Afterwards Season Ticket holders then Valley Gold. Simples. ..... simples, but entirely unreasonable. I’ll bet there isn’t another club on the planet that operates the way you describe. All clubs want to incentivise fans to buy season tickets .....
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 21, 2019 7:40:01 GMT
All that is needed is a points system, PURELY based on away games attended. Afterwards Season Ticket holders then Valley Gold. Simples. ..... simples, but entirely unreasonable. I’ll bet there isn’t another club on the planet that operates the way you describe. All clubs want to incentivise fans to buy season tickets ..... Disagree. Away game regulars travelling all over the country should get 2nd shout on once a year fans. Is that what you're saying?
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Post by ralphmilnesgut on Aug 21, 2019 7:48:18 GMT
Season ticket holders are not 'once a year fans'
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Post by sardonic on Aug 21, 2019 7:50:18 GMT
It’s quite a simple system as it is.
1. You buy a season ticket you are rewarded with priority for away games and cup games throughout the season.
2. You pay into Valley Gold you are awarded with priority as you are financing the development of the next crop of youngsters to come through our academy.
3. You buy home tickets on a game by game basis ( thus supporting our club) you get 10 loyalty points per game if bought early or 5 if on match day giving priority over general public.
4. You only go to away games the club gets 5% of the sale price which hardly goes into the cost of running the club and paying wages.. However you get 10 loyalty points as a recognition of travelling away.
A system to reward those who SUPPORT the club. Extremely simples in my opinion.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 21, 2019 8:00:37 GMT
It’s quite a simple system as it is. 1. You buy a season ticket you are rewarded with priority for away games and cup games throughout the season. 2. You pay into Valley Gold you are awarded with priority as you are financing the development of the next crop of youngsters to come through our academy. 3. You buy home tickets on a game by game basis ( thus supporting our club) you get 10 loyalty points per game if bought early or 5 if on match day giving priority over general public. 4. You only go to away games the club gets 5% of the sale price which hardly goes into the cost of running the club and paying wages.. However you get 10 loyalty points as a recognition of travelling away. A system to reward those who SUPPORT the club. Extremely simples in my opinion. The ones who show commitment to attending the aways should come first.
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Post by divot on Aug 21, 2019 8:07:15 GMT
It’s quite a simple system as it is. 1. You buy a season ticket you are rewarded with priority for away games and cup games throughout the season. 2. You pay into Valley Gold you are awarded with priority as you are financing the development of the next crop of youngsters to come through our academy. 3. You buy home tickets on a game by game basis ( thus supporting our club) you get loyalty points based upon the games you have seen giving priority over general public. 4. You only go to away games the club gets 5% of the sale price which hardly goes into the cost of running the club and paying wages, therefore doesn’t get the same priority. A system to reward those who SUPPORT the club. Extremely simples in my opinion. The system isn't too bad and any system will have it's arguments for/against. I'm not going to Reading but if I wanted to and couldn't get a ticket, would I be justifiably miffed because I've been to over 400 Charlton away games? (over a very long period TBF)
The only time I've really been miffed was the Back to the Valley game in 92. I didn't have a season ticket for that one season but was still averaging 35 games a season (half home/half away). I couldn't get a ticket but loads of people who hadn't been to Charlton in years came out of the woodwork, some of whom hadn't been to a Charlton game in living memory, even before we went to Selhurst. I got over it (eventually) and I'm sure the drummer will get over not seeing us at Reading!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:12:09 GMT
hairyhotdogAround 550 went to general sale yesterday morning, out of 2,200. By 11.30am there were about 40 left. If you are at work - as some of those lads would have been - it can be an issue in such a small window to move quickly enough. But the situation should NOT have arisen in the first place. Mundell and sardonicYou miss the point. Many of the 38,000 we had at Wembley would also class themselves as “lifelong fans”, but their support is frankly not as good or as consistent as these guys who pay £200 plus every other weekend to support the team in some very unglamourous places. I personally bought a ST this season despite despising Duchâtelet simply because it makes buying away tickets easier. By using so many “phases” of Valley Gold this bent regime is basically forcing some folk to enrol for Valley Gold - and we all know that numbers are dramatically down - just to increase their chances of getting away tickets. I have seen a lot of comments from Charlton fans on social media like “this will be my only away trip in 3 seasons” or “I got my Great Uncle Brian and his family tickets as well” ....wrong ....when our hardcore fans have missed out. The away ticket allocations should be very simple - 1. Loyalty points accrued thru previous away attendance (double points if you do the Northern trips) 2. ST holders 3. VG Members 4. General sale. One other thought. I don’t know the drummer, but given how much time and money he invests in the club, and how much he does for the atmosphere, why can’t the club give him complimentary tickets? He certainly does more to generate an atmosphere than Brian Cole manages.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Aug 21, 2019 8:16:39 GMT
It’s quite a simple system as it is. 1. You buy a season ticket you are rewarded with priority for away games and cup games throughout the season. 2. You pay into Valley Gold you are awarded with priority as you are financing the development of the next crop of youngsters to come through our academy. 3. You buy home tickets on a game by game basis ( thus supporting our club) you get 10 loyalty points per game if bought early or 5 if on match day giving priority over general public. 4. You only go to away games the club gets 5% of the sale price which hardly goes into the cost of running the club and paying wages.. However you get 10 loyalty points as a recognition of travelling away. A system to reward those who SUPPORT the club. Extremely simples in my opinion. The ones who show commitment to attending the aways should come first. No, ones who buy season tickets and or Valley Gold should come first as they make the major contribution to the club. In fact those who do both and travel away are the first priority like it or loathe it, it seems logical. I am a season ticket holder and go to some away games, but not Valley Gold, and I could have bought last week it seems, although had no problem on Monday. I'm no fan of RD although you and RV try to pretend I am, but I can't see why he would prioritise protesters over fans who buy Season tickets. I wouldn't.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 21, 2019 8:18:46 GMT
The ones who show commitment to attending the aways should come first. No, ones who buy season tickets and or Valley Gold should come first as they make the major contribution to the club. In fact those who do both and travel away are the first priority like it or loathe it, it seems logical. I am a season ticket holder and go to some away games, but not Valley Gold, and I could have bought last week it seems, although had no problem on Monday. I'm no fan of RD although you and RV try to pretend I am, but I can't see why he would prioritise protesters over fans who buy Season tickets. I wouldn't. The Belgian would not make the decisions on sale of tickets.
It would also be fair to say, the away regulars would also be seaston ticket holders.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:21:09 GMT
The ones who show commitment to attending the aways should come first. No, ones who buy season tickets and or Valley Gold should come first as they make the major contribution to the club. In fact those who do both and travel away are the first priority like it or loathe it, it seems logical. I am a season ticket holder and go to some away games, but not Valley Gold, and I could have bought last week it seems, although had no problem on Monday. I'm no fan of RD although you and RV try to pretend I am, but I can't see why he would prioritise protesters over fans who buy Season tickets. I wouldn't. Paying £10 a month to Valley Gold when the money is siphoned straight out by the owner in Academy player sales. Or spending £150-200 twice a month for nine months going away. I’ve done both Canterbury, so can speak from experience (possibly unlike you). Doing the away games is a far greater investment in time & money than a £10 a month Direct Debit. Your comment about protesters is possibly the biggest “whooooosh” ever, as the drummer and his mates probably contribute more passion in one game than you have in ten years. Although, to be fair, you were fairly passionate about Katrien...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:21:45 GMT
If any season ticket holder is complaining that they didn't get a ticket for this away game then they need to give their head a wobble.
The tickets by the end went on general sale so no excuse.
If you wanted to go that badly, then you would have got one.
Stop whining
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 21, 2019 8:21:45 GMT
Royston.. So firstly you are saying that the drummer & friends don’t have enough points to purchase before general sale...? So no season tickets or loyalty points from away games... I find this hard to believe , secondly the tickets didn’t sell out until after 3pm , but don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story , thirdly you mention the effort in travelling away , that’s fair enough , but they have also made zero effort in getting tickets for the Reading game IF they have 100 loyalty points or more...
Giving the drummer complimentary tickets is something I’d be happy to see as he does add to the atmosphere at the game...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:22:44 GMT
If any season ticket holder is complaining that they didn't get a ticket for this away game then they need to give their head a wobble. The tickets by the end went on general sale so no excuse. If you wanted to go that badly, then you would have got one. Stop whining That’s the point. They didn’t/ couldn’t...because the system is shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:24:08 GMT
Royston.. So firstly you are saying that the drummer & friends don’t have enough points to purchase before general sale...? So no season tickets or loyalty points from away games... I find this hard to believe , secondly the tickets didn’t sell out until after 3pm , but don’t let the truth get in the way of a good stormy , thirdly you mention the effort in travelling away , that’s fair enough , but they have also made zero effort in getting tickets for the Reading game IF they have 100 loyalty points or more... Giving the drummer complimentary tickets is something I’d be happy to see as he does add to the atmosphere at the game... No complimentary tickets thank you. If you are a true fan then you pay for them. Anyway some away grounds have the right to not let people in with drums or trumpets etc...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:24:48 GMT
If any season ticket holder is complaining that they didn't get a ticket for this away game then they need to give their head a wobble. The tickets by the end went on general sale so no excuse. If you wanted to go that badly, then you would have got one. Stop whining That’s the point. They didn’t/ couldn’t...because the system is shit. The system is not shit. If people have trouble understanding it then more fool them
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 21, 2019 8:25:18 GMT
If any season ticket holder is complaining that they didn't get a ticket for this away game then they need to give their head a wobble. The tickets by the end went on general sale so no excuse. If you wanted to go that badly, then you would have got one. Stop whining That’s the point. They didn’t/ couldn’t...because the system is shit. Do you read what you are actually writing mate..? Season Ticket sales were Monday 9.30am.... General Sale was Tuesday 9.30am... Tickets sold out after 3pm on Tuesday....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:30:32 GMT
That’s the point. They didn’t/ couldn’t...because the system is shit. Do you read what you are actually writing mate..? Season Ticket sales were Monday 9.30am.... General Sale was Tuesday 9.30am... Tickets sold out after 3pm on Tuesday.... Re- read the website. 2pm on Monday.
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Post by sardonic on Aug 21, 2019 8:31:15 GMT
hairyhotdogAround 550 went to general sale yesterday morning, out of 2,200. By 11.30am there were about 40 left. If you are at work - as some of those lads would have been - it can be an issue in such a small window to move quickly enough. But the situation should NOT have arisen in the first place. Mundell and sardonicYou miss the point. Many of the 38,000 we had at Wembley would also class themselves as “lifelong fans”, but their support is frankly not as good or as consistent as these guys who pay £200 plus every other weekend to support the team in some very unglamourous places. I personally bought a ST this season despite despising Duchâtelet simply because it makes buying away tickets easier. By using so many “phases” of Valley Gold this bent regime is basically forcing some folk to enrol for Valley Gold - and we all know that numbers are dramatically down - just to increase their chances of getting away tickets. I have seen a lot of comments from Charlton fans on social media like “this will be my only away trip in 3 seasons” or “I got my Great Uncle Brian and his family tickets as well” ....wrong ....when our hardcore fans have missed out. The away ticket allocations should be very simple - 1. Loyalty points accrued thru previous away attendance (double points if you do the Northern trips) 2. ST holders 3. VG Members 4. General sale. One other thought. I don’t know the drummer, but given how much time and money he invests in the club, and how much he does for the atmosphere, why can’t the club give him complimentary tickets? He certainly does more to generate an atmosphere than Brian Cole manages. A couple of good points you make there Royston. I agree that perhaps the drummer could be given a complimentary ticket but that would be something he should take up with the club. Loyalty based upon location could be a good idea but some aways are closer to people who live up north so could become complicated in terms of judging amount of points awarded over distance travelled. The simplest way is how it is at the moment, people miss out on tickets all the time as divot has written about his experience above. Valley Gold is a great system and nobody is forced to enrol, however one of the benefits is priority which is deserved if you pay towards the club. The club will never make everyone happy but it’s good to be debating the limited availability of tickets after the past few seasons we’ve had!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:31:33 GMT
That’s the point. They didn’t/ couldn’t...because the system is shit. The system is not shit. If people have trouble understanding it then more fool them Patronising crap. Probably said from the vantage point of someone who doesn’t go away much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:32:21 GMT
The system is not shit. If people have trouble understanding it then more fool them Patronising crap. Probably said from the vantage point of someone who doesn’t go away much. Regular away traveller me. Problem with that! Accrington, Mansfield, Bradford, Burton etc last season. Though why I'm justifying myself to you. Maybe I need to give my head a wobble this morning!!
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 21, 2019 8:33:07 GMT
Do you read what you are actually writing mate..? Season Ticket sales were Monday 9.30am.... General Sale was Tuesday 9.30am... Tickets sold out after 3pm on Tuesday.... Re- read the website. 2pm on Monday. What website...? There was 467 standard tickets for sale at 9.30am yesterday morning , and they sold out yesterday afternoon...
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 21, 2019 8:38:36 GMT
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 21, 2019 8:47:29 GMT
Anyway I’ve had words wife my wife (or day-tripper) about her taking up a vital ticket when she does her once a year away trip (due to work and childcare) to Reading and she politely said “bollox” , as she feels she is entitled to do one away match per season if she wants (Peterborough and Portsmouth previous couple of years)...
I explained that people have missed out on tickets and her reply was “you snooze you lose...”
Not sure what I can add to that...
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Post by oldred on Aug 21, 2019 8:48:14 GMT
Lots of different views and opinions on this subject naturally, and I’m only going to offer a few comments.
The free ticket for the drummer is a good shout, and it would be good if that could be arranged.
There is no system whereby every fan will be happy.
Royston, whilst your record of away trips to far off places is admirable, you spending £2-300 pounds doesn’t really benefit the club like a season ticket or VG membership.I realise that you have ended your boycott and also bought a season ticket this year.
Why the drummer couldn’t get a ticket still hasn’t been explained as far as I can see, but I agree it’s a pity he isn’t going to be there to help with the atmosphere.
Surely it’s no surprise to anyone that Reading will be in more demand than Barnsley, time and expense plays a major part obviously.
Expect the same at Millwall, Fulham, Brentford etc, and If we are talking day trippers , surely the playoffs and final need to be mentioned.
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