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Post by massivebeak on Aug 18, 2019 10:33:21 GMT
Just wondering what everyone made of Lyle’s penalty yesterday? I’ve been thinking-
was it absolute genius?
Slightly arrogant and disrespectful?
In the recent weeks of him possibly being accused of not seeming bothered (pre-season)- if he had missed how would it have been viewed?
Absolutely no digs this end, really interested how people viewed it is all.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Aug 18, 2019 10:38:06 GMT
No problem with it whatsoever. He has clearly developed a technique which is working for him - walk up nice and slow, try to decipher which way the keeper is going, then place it firmly in the opposite corner.
It’ll look slightly silly when he inevitably ends up missing one, but until then it’s hard to knock it.
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Post by massivebeak on Aug 18, 2019 10:39:55 GMT
No problem with it whatsoever. He has clearly developed a technique which is working for him - walk up nice and slow, try to decipher which way the keeper is going, then place it firmly in the opposite corner. It’ll look slightly silly when he inevitably ends up missing one, but until then it’s hard to knock it. I’ve not seen the like before- I was genuinely gobsmacked |
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Post by MidlandRed on Aug 18, 2019 10:40:34 GMT
Been doing it like that for a while, nothing to do with the situation in the transfer window
I think the celebration is slightly more disrespectful if anything... But even that is just how he is at the moment, confident, 'cocky', incredibly calm
If it means he scores us goals I'll take it, no complaints from me
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Post by massivebeak on Aug 18, 2019 10:43:30 GMT
Been doing it like that for a while, nothing to do with the situation in the transfer window I think the celebration is slightly more disrespectful if anything... But even that is just how he is at the moment, confident, 'cocky', incredibly calm If it means he scores us goals I'll take it, no complaints from me To take a penalty like that in pretty much the last minute for a point was unbelievable. Not like we were 2 up, the pressure must’ve been unreal. |
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Post by canterburyaddick on Aug 18, 2019 10:56:29 GMT
He seems able to get power and accuracy from almost no run up. That is a major advantage and something I can't remember seeing before. (Apart from my pen at walking football the other day  ). Usually with no run up it is a player that has the skill at the top level to fox a keeper, or it's a totally woeful penalty. Long may it go on. |
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Post by Mundell on Aug 18, 2019 10:58:21 GMT
Never seen any other player take a penalty like that. Not necessary. I think he’s posing and preening. I don’t really like it.
PS He’s been a journeyman for most of his career. Great for him that he’s enjoying some real success. Hope it’s not going to his head.
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Post by MidlandRed on Aug 18, 2019 11:00:53 GMT
Never seen any other player take a penalty like that. Not necessary. I think he’s posing and preening. I don’t really like it. He has done it for a while now, and it's working I think the penalty technique is just how he feels most confident to score. The lack of celebration is possibly more a sign of posing in the limelight. |
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Post by Mundell on Aug 18, 2019 11:04:06 GMT
Never seen any other player take a penalty like that. Not necessary. I think he’s posing and preening. I don’t really like it. He has done it for a while now, and it's working I think the penalty technique is just how he feels most confident to score. The lack of celebration is possibly more a sign of posing in the limelight. You may be right MidlandRed I’m not thrilled by his ‘non-celebration’ either!! Just my personal reaction, that’s all. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 11:19:31 GMT
It’s the “Lyle Taylor” now. Working on his brand I suppose. Long as it works I’m all for it. All about entertainment ain’t it. Takes some bottle though that’s for sure.
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Post by Nick on Aug 18, 2019 12:19:05 GMT
Pogba took them like that before Lyle did.
I've no issue with the run up so long as they continue to hit the back of the net.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 12:52:17 GMT
Not really interested in how Taylor takes his penalties, just what his conversion rate is.
In my view a scored penalty in itself isn't as celebration-worthy as a goal from a well executed free kick or (best of all) goals from open play.
I don't mind players congratulating a team-mate who has just scored from the spot, but for me the importance of such a goal is much more in relation to the game, than celebrating the style of the kick itself.
Taylor's penalty goal was immensely important this time, as it turned almost certain defeat into a draw.
Had Charlton been 0-4 up or 4-0 down at the time it would have been nearly meaningless.
I don't think it's a good idea generally for penalty takers to showboat, as it can be interpreted as disrespectful and is indefensible if the penalty is missed or saved.
But if Taylor scores every time (or almost every time) from 12 yards then I'm not going to criticise him specifically. If he begins to miss them though that will be another matter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 12:56:09 GMT
Most of our fans behind the goal were watching it through their fingers.
It will catch him out one day, he will scuff it & it will trickle into the keeper’s hands.
Personally I prefer a Stuart Pearce-style thunderbolt penalty.
PS-
We have had two top, top class penalty takers at Charlton in the last 35 years -
Mark Reid
Paolo di Canio
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 13:02:18 GMT
Most of our fans behind the goal were watching it through their fingers. It will catch him out one day, he will scuff it & it will trickle into the keeper’s hands. Personally I prefer a Stuart Pearce-style thunderbolt penalty. PS- We have had two top, top class penalty takers at Charlton in the last 35 years - Mark Reid Paolo di Canio Yoni Buyens was pretty useful from the penalty spot if I recall correctly. |
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Post by Mundell on Aug 18, 2019 13:03:08 GMT
Yoni Buyens wasn’t bad either.
PS Posted this at the same time as @lardiman He just beat me to it!!
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Post by massivebeak on Aug 18, 2019 13:04:52 GMT
Most of our fans behind the goal were watching it through their fingers. It will catch him out one day, he will scuff it & it will trickle into the keeper’s hands. Personally I prefer a Stuart Pearce-style thunderbolt penalty. PS- We have had two top, top class penalty takers at Charlton in the last 35 years - Mark Reid Paolo di Canio I’m a fan of Pearce/Mark Hughes power smashes too, less to go wrong and even if a keeper gets a hand to it more often than not it’ll go in. I just worry that Taylor’s technique will go wrong- and with that will come criticism and the possibility of him spitting his dummy out. Well done to you and all the away fans yesterday 👍👍👍 |
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Post by canterburyaddick on Aug 18, 2019 13:05:01 GMT
Most of our fans behind the goal were watching it through their fingers. It will catch him out one day, he will scuff it & it will trickle into the keeper’s hands. Personally I prefer a Stuart Pearce-style thunderbolt penalty. PS- We have had two top, top class penalty takers at Charlton in the last 35 years - Mark Reid Paolo di Canio I don't remember Buyens, missing or looking like missing a penalty, and he took a few. |
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 18, 2019 14:20:50 GMT
Most of our fans behind the goal were watching it through their fingers. It will catch him out one day, he will scuff it & it will trickle into the keeper’s hands. Personally I prefer a Stuart Pearce-style thunderbolt penalty. PS- We have had two top, top class penalty takers at Charlton in the last 35 years - Mark Reid Paolo di Canio I don't remember Buyens, missing or looking like missing a penalty, and he took a few. Buyens, the Belgian Ray Wilkins. |
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Post by wellingaddick on Aug 18, 2019 15:36:19 GMT
Most of our fans behind the goal were watching it through their fingers. It will catch him out one day, he will scuff it & it will trickle into the keeper’s hands. Personally I prefer a Stuart Pearce-style thunderbolt penalty. PS- We have had two top, top class penalty takers at Charlton in the last 35 years - Mark Reid Paolo di Canio Yoni Buyens was pretty useful from the penalty spot if I recall correctly. Super Clive wasn't too bad at penalties. The mention of Yoni Buyens is interesting. He had a slowish run up, yet always sent the goalie the wrong way. Perhaps Jacko has passed on a few tips from those days? |
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Post by DFT on Aug 18, 2019 16:46:47 GMT
I'd hate to see Taylor miss!
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Post by lukepiestalker on Aug 18, 2019 17:06:31 GMT
I have no issue with his posturing after scoring to secure a vital away point. Personal preference but I quite like it.
Confident fella at the moment. He has made the kind of start I was hoping for after the wobbles at the end of the window.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Aug 18, 2019 17:56:17 GMT
I don't remember Buyens, missing or looking like missing a penalty, and he took a few. Buyens, the Belgian Ray Wilkins. Captain of England Ray Wilkins? I do know what you mean though. |
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Post by rationaladdick on Aug 18, 2019 18:17:42 GMT
To me it shows he has the slight case of arrogance many great strikers have. And I mean that in a good way. He might be one of those strikers who can succeed at whatever level you put him in. I only hope when we sell him in January that it is to a PL team and not one of our competitors.
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Post by sardonic on Aug 18, 2019 21:09:41 GMT
I don't really care how he takes them as long as he scores. Arrogance and over confidence usually affects a players desire for a high work rate, this is far from the case as far as Lyle is concerned.
The guy is performing at the highest level he has played at and deserves a final payday.
Whether he is sold in January will be up to Lee, but also it will depend on where we are in the table, too many variables to even consider at this stage. I’m sure Lee and Steve are preparing for all possible eventualities.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 4:16:18 GMT
Some interesting figures there; | Team | Successful penalty | Missed/saved penalty | Conversion rate | | Montserrat | 0 | 1 | 0% | | AFC Wimbledon | 7 | 5 | 58% | | Charlton Athletic | 9 | 2 | 82% |
9 scored penalties out of 11 for Charlton is a reasonable conversion rate, but I hope as the season goes on that Lyle does take his penalty responsibilities as seriously as possible. At this level every penalty awarded is worth it's weight in gold to Charlton. A failed penalty by Jake Forster-Caskey (during the 90 minutes) has already contributed to our early exit from the EFL Cup. |
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Post by massivebeak on Aug 19, 2019 6:17:09 GMT
Some interesting figures there; | Team | Successful penalty | Missed/saved penalty | Conversion rate | | Montserrat | 0 | 1 | 0% | | AFC Wimbledon | 7 | 5 | 58% | | Charlton Athletic | 9 | 2 | 82% |
9 scored penalties out of 11 for Charlton is a reasonable conversion rate, but I hope as the season goes on that Lyle does take his penalty responsibilities as seriously as possible. At this level every penalty awarded is worth it's weight in gold to Charlton. A failed penalty by Jake Forster-Caskey (during the 90 minutes) has already contributed to our early exit from the EFL Cup. His previous penalty conversion rate with Wimbledon was so poor, makes me surprised that he can take such a cool/cocky spot kick with us. Long may they keep going in. |
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Post by cafc2002 on Aug 19, 2019 19:00:05 GMT
Looks like he lost his balance slightly when he hit it, I'd prefer it if he took them like Harry Kane does but its working for him so far, not too sure if Bowyer will like it though.
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Post by willett on Aug 19, 2019 19:02:30 GMT
I don't really care how he takes them as long as he scores. Arrogance and over confidence usually affects a players desire for a high work rate, this is far from the case as far as Lyle is concerned. The guy is performing at the highest level he has played at and deserves a final payday. Whether he is sold in January will be up to Lee, but also it will depend on where we are in the table, too many variables to even consider at this stage. I’m sure Lee and Steve are preparing for all possible eventualities. Up to RD and whether he offers him an acceptable contract. |
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Post by sardonic on Aug 19, 2019 19:09:23 GMT
I don't really care how he takes them as long as he scores. Arrogance and over confidence usually affects a players desire for a high work rate, this is far from the case as far as Lyle is concerned. The guy is performing at the highest level he has played at and deserves a final payday. Whether he is sold in January will be up to Lee, but also it will depend on where we are in the table, too many variables to even consider at this stage. I’m sure Lee and Steve are preparing for all possible eventualities. Up to RD and whether he offers him an acceptable contract. Yes but January will be up to Lee, whether he signs or not will depict whether he’s with us next season. |
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