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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 16, 2019 20:58:06 GMT
Theres been discussion on a few threads speculating that the Djiksteel money went on wages....
Is there anyway of knowing if our wage bill is higher or lower than last season..? Because although we’ve signed 13 players in this window , it’s easy to forget that we actually offloaded big wages in players like Ajose and Vetokele....
Maybe if our wage bill is lower or the same as last year then the Djiksteel money might be sitting there to use come January..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 21:37:38 GMT
Theres been discussion on a few threads speculating that the Djiksteel money went on wages.... Is there anyway of knowing if our wage bill is higher or lower than last season..? Because although we’ve signed 13 players in this window , it’s easy to forget that we actually offloaded big wages in players like Ajose and Vetokele.... Maybe if our wage bill is lower or the same as last year then the Djiksteel money might be sitting there to use come January.. I'm more worried about winning tomorrow..
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Post by oldred on Aug 16, 2019 21:41:26 GMT
I don’t know if that sort of information is available hhd, but what LB did say, is that he hoped to spend the Dijksteel money on buying Toney from Peterborough.
Maybe it depends on whether we are paying a fee for Hemed, assuming it eventually goes through.
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 16, 2019 21:47:58 GMT
I don’t know if that sort of information is available hhd, but what LB did say, is that he hoped to spend the Dijksteel money on buying Toney from Peterborough. Maybe it depends on whether we are paying a fee for Hemed, assuming it eventually goes through. Was going to post the same - we won't see the accounts for last season until next March. Add 12 months for this season. We are probably on a similar cost base to last season but Williams here all season and Taylor will require a serious pay rise to stay with us. The January window could be expensive in terms of wages.
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Post by willett on Aug 16, 2019 21:57:52 GMT
Apparently we could only offer Bauer/Aribo around 6/7 K, so would seem that the wage bill has been reduced.
Also seen interviews from Steve Gallen saying that's the aim.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 6:32:45 GMT
I don’t know if that sort of information is available hhd, but what LB did say, is that he hoped to spend the Dijksteel money on buying Toney from Peterborough. Maybe it depends on whether we are paying a fee for Hemed, assuming it eventually goes through. Was going to post the same - we won't see the accounts for last season until next March. Add 12 months for this season. We are probably on a similar cost base to last season but Williams here all season and Taylor will require a serious pay rise to stay with us. The January window could be expensive in terms of wages. Vetekole & Reeves both on £8,000 a week, so that’s over £1m shaved off the wage bill from the summer. I’m reliably informed that Sarr is the only remaining big earner at the club now - one of the reasons we have been unable to shift him. He’s the last of the Meire legacy huge player contracts.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 17, 2019 6:44:19 GMT
Was going to post the same - we won't see the accounts for last season until next March. Add 12 months for this season. We are probably on a similar cost base to last season but Williams here all season and Taylor will require a serious pay rise to stay with us. The January window could be expensive in terms of wages. Vetekole & Reeves both on £8,000 a week, so that’s over £1m shaved off the wage bill from the summer. I’m reliably informed that Sarr is the only remaining big earner at the club now - one of the reasons we have been unable to shift him. He’s the last of the Meire legacy huge player contracts. And quite frankly good luck to Sarr to sit on his contract. He probably had to rub his eyes and read the contract again thinking there was a mistake.
Teixeira is possibly still being paid? He was bought in January{?} of 2016 on a 4 1/2 contract for a reported 12k a week.
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Post by Mundell on Aug 17, 2019 7:11:08 GMT
I think there’s probably an important difference between ‘wage bill’ and ‘effective wage bill’. Squads that have a number of players who are significantly overpaid, relative to their ability and contribution, will have an effective wage bill which is lower than actual.
This was almost certainly the case for us last season. Indeed, I recall Steve Gallen saying as much. However, as others have said, with the possible exception of Naby Sarr, this has now been entirely corrected. Indeed, we may have some players, including Johnny Williams, for example, whose effective wage bill is higher than actual.
I think there are two important conclusions which follow from this. First, while we don’t know how our wage bill compares to last season, it’s highly likely that our effective wage bill is higher.
Second, while we may well have the lowest actual wage bill in the Championship, the gap in effective wage bills may be smaller. It’s entirely possible that there are many clubs in the Championship with effective wage bills well below actual. We may have seen one last Saturday, for example.
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 17, 2019 8:42:46 GMT
The key to keeping the ineffective part of the wage bill down is to enjoy not just one but a succession of decent transfer windows. The squad which KR inherited was unbalanced, expensive and struggling, and it took a series of windows plus a number of academy players to straighten it out.
Others have commented on playing too many kids or being too reliant on loans from the EPL but these two categories of player are far, far cheaper than acquiring the finished article from elsewhere.
In the end we've seen continuous improvement for the last two years and the difference has been down to the management since the strategy has not shifted. We will see how we do today and over the next 20 games which will take us to the next window.
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Post by willett on Aug 20, 2019 22:01:15 GMT
Lowest Budget in the League.
It's cost us some decent players.
Good Job that Bowyer & Gallen are able to use free/loan markets effectively.
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Post by sardonic on Aug 20, 2019 22:15:15 GMT
Lowest Budget in the League. It's cost us some decent players. Good Job that Bowyer & Gallen are able to use free/loan markets effectively. Do you not think we have had a good window or that money from the sales have gone back into the team with potential for some investment in Jan?
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Post by willett on Aug 20, 2019 22:19:05 GMT
Lowest Budget in the League. It's cost us some decent players. Good Job that Bowyer & Gallen are able to use free/loan markets effectively. Do you not think we have had a good window or that money from the sales have gone back into the team with potential for some investment in Jan? I'm more than happy with the transfer window. Some money may have gone back in, although imagine parent clubs will still be paying percentages of wages.
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Post by sardonic on Aug 20, 2019 22:26:48 GMT
Do you not think we have had a good window or that money from the sales have gone back into the team with potential for some investment in Jan? I'm more than happy with the transfer window. Some money may have gone back in, although imagine parent clubs will still be paying percentages of wages. Yeah no doubt but good pedigree of players in so far. A nice feeling round the club at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 3:32:27 GMT
Lowest Budget in the League. It's cost us some decent players. Good Job that Bowyer & Gallen are able to use free/loan markets effectively. Do you not think we have had a good window or that money from the sales have gone back into the team with potential for some investment in Jan? Lol. “Potential for investment in January”. Like the two previous January’s under Duchâtelet, you mean? Lookman, Fox, Holmes, Konsa. That sort of January investment? It really is massively naive to think that the Belgian will change his ways. He couldn’t give a shit. All he cares about is cutting costs still further. Lyle Taylor will go in January.
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Post by sardonic on Aug 21, 2019 5:09:40 GMT
Do you not think we have had a good window or that money from the sales have gone back into the team with potential for some investment in Jan? Lol. “Potential for investment in January”. Like the two previous January’s under Duchâtelet, you mean? Lookman, Fox, Holmes, Konsa. That sort of January investment? It really is massively naive to think that the Belgian will change his ways. He couldn’t give a shit. All he cares about is cutting costs still further. Lyle Taylor will go in January. It’s about working to budget Royston. Did you expect us to sign the players we have this season? To turn down £4m bids for Lyle this summer? If Lyle leaves it will be Lee’s choice. It’s not naive as this is how our summer has played out and we have brought in a premiership striker who cannot be on £7k per week. I don’t think you will find many who don’t want RD to sell, however we are not this “basket case” you believe you think we are having the team we do in the championship. It’s not something we will obviously agree on so best leave it there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 6:29:48 GMT
I dont get the obsession with how much people earn and what budget and trousered money and why cant we spend 10 million on a player and pay them whatever they like on a four year deal. We have a good squad, brilliantly put together. I think if what people are saying is true Vetokele and Reeves on 8000 a week sums it up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 7:32:11 GMT
Lyle has made up his mind I will be very surprised if hes still here at the end of January.
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 21, 2019 7:34:13 GMT
Do you not think we have had a good window or that money from the sales have gone back into the team with potential for some investment in Jan? Lol. “Potential for investment in January”. Like the two previous January’s under Duchâtelet, you mean? Lookman, Fox, Holmes, Konsa. That sort of January investment? It really is massively naive to think that the Belgian will change his ways. He couldn’t give a shit. All he cares about is cutting costs still further. Lyle Taylor will go in January. And don't forget Kermorgant and Stephens! It's massively repetitive to keep making the same point over and over again. You and Elfs have posted 900 times between you in the three weeks you've been allowed back. That's over 40 times a day! RD simply declares the budget and funds the losses arising from that. As Mundell and I posted higher up, it's up to management how this is spent - and we are no longer paying out £500K a year to the likes of Vetokele and Teixeira. Instead Bows and Gallen have reinvested the Dijksteel money in some decent loans and we will all have a chance to see how we compete over the next couple of games. One player might be sold next January, but the second half of our season will be determined by how the rest of the squad develop as well as the calibre of player acquisition in January. And if certain positions need to be addressed then that is what will happen. Or are we back to project fear and talk of relegation again?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:16:32 GMT
Lol. “Potential for investment in January”. Like the two previous January’s under Duchâtelet, you mean? Lookman, Fox, Holmes, Konsa. That sort of January investment? It really is massively naive to think that the Belgian will change his ways. He couldn’t give a shit. All he cares about is cutting costs still further. Lyle Taylor will go in January. And don't forget Kermorgant and Stephens! It's massively repetitive to keep making the same point over and over again. You and Elfs have posted 900 times between you in the three weeks you've been allowed back. That's over 40 times a day! RD simply declares the budget and funds the losses arising from that. As Mundell and I posted higher up, it's up to management how this is spent - and we are no longer paying out £500K a year to the likes of Vetokele and Teixeira. Instead Bows and Gallen have reinvested the Dijksteel money in some decent loans and we will all have a chance to see how we compete over the next couple of games. One player might be sold next January, but the second half of our season will be determined by how the rest of the squad develop as well as the calibre of player acquisition in January. And if certain positions need to be addressed then that is what will happen. Or are we back to project fear and talk of relegation again? Kevin, Being accused of being “massively repetitive” by you is like being accused of being bad at maths by Diane Abbott.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 21, 2019 8:29:56 GMT
Nothing to add , just wanted to break up the Royston post , Elf follows boredom......
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