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Post by willett on Aug 1, 2019 22:20:40 GMT
Relative to the league we are in - Is this the worst squad we have ever had?
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 1, 2019 22:38:56 GMT
100%, said it all summer, the lack of quality is embarrassing.
LB said agents are laughing at us. They won't be the only one's this season, we are another Bolton in the making.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 1, 2019 22:58:34 GMT
Relative to the league we are in - Is this the worst squad we have ever had? No
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Post by pardew123 on Aug 1, 2019 23:41:57 GMT
Bookies are not often wrong not good vibes at moment
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Post by pardew123 on Aug 1, 2019 23:42:29 GMT
I think it is yeah
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Post by oldred on Aug 2, 2019 0:04:32 GMT
I’m going to wait until Thursday before I answer . Things might have changed dramatically by then.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 2, 2019 4:57:59 GMT
Being the hypocrite that I am, I went to Wembley and witnessed a game changing performance from Williams.
Fortunately he has come back whilst others have left, to be replaced by players without Championship experience. 70% of the Aribo money was spent on a non-league player.
We have not built on the success of promotion, we have gone backwards.......surprisingly enough.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 2, 2019 5:00:02 GMT
I’m going to wait until Thursday before I answer . Things might have changed dramatically by then. Do you not think it would have been better if our squad was in place and bedded in through our pre-season games?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 5:36:01 GMT
Let us not kid ourselves this squad is paper thin. If we don't get five quality loans in by Thursday, I can only see us heading for the trap door. Let's see where we are on Thursday.
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Aug 2, 2019 5:38:21 GMT
Let us not kid ourselves this squad is paper thin. If we don't get five quality loans in by Thursday, I can only see us heading for the trap door. Let's see where we are on Thursday. And hopefully not 5 Josh Parkers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 6:18:08 GMT
Being the hypocrite that I am, I went to Wembley and witnessed a game changing performance from Williams. Fortunately he has come back whilst others have left, to be replaced by players without Championship experience. 70% of the Aribo money was spent on a non-league player. We have not built on the success of promotion, we have gone backwards.......surprisingly enough. Elfs..you were not alone, probably about another 27000 hypocrites..😉 Yes we could of bought atleast another three players in on the Aribo money instead of spending 70% on Bonne.
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Post by oldred on Aug 2, 2019 7:13:41 GMT
I’m going to wait until Thursday before I answer . Things might have changed dramatically by then. Do you not think it would have been better if our squad was in place and bedded in through our pre-season games? Is that a serious question. ? Obviously it would’ve been better, nobody would deny that. We have all known for some time, that our budget this season means that we will be relying heavily on getting good quality loan players from Premier or at least Championship clubs. That is where most of our strength and quality will come from, supplemented by our better League One players who we need to step up a level. You’re an intelligent chap elf’s , and you know that those loans haven’t been available yet, not just to us, to anyone. The Premier teams will decide this week, who they will allow out on loan and where they will go. We will all hope, that LB and SG can get top quality loans as they did last season, when they also arrived late. Of course we would all have like them in for pre season, and for the first game, but that was never a possibility and never going to happen. But then you already know that.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Aug 2, 2019 7:38:33 GMT
I’m going to wait until Thursday before I answer . Things might have changed dramatically by then. Do you not think it would have been better if our squad was in place and bedded in through our pre-season games? Oh dear 🙈
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Post by madz on Aug 2, 2019 7:39:25 GMT
Depends whether you mean worse as in they are awful players and not good enough, or worse for simply lack of depth.
To answer in Lee Bowyer style "Is this the worst group of players we've ever had? No".... "Is it the weakest squad for depth and experience? Yes".... "Do i need to bring in more players? Yes absolutely"
The players we have brought in are not bad players at all and seem to have the desire to make the step up and should have our support, not flaming protests (leave that to the people who want to shell out to go to Belguim). Lockyer, Aneke, Oshilaja, Purrington and Williams are all decent additions (although the latter we know is good enough, but his injury issues are a problem). The fact we haven't brought in enough is the problem, not the quality of the players. A couple of experienced midfielders and another striker and i'll be happy enough, anything less will leave us struggling. Yes i'd be happier with 5-7 more players for added depth but that ain't gonna happen.
The players should have all been in for pre-season. Waiting for Prem and upper Championship teams to allow us to loan their players is frustrating, but you can only hope those players have had game time pre-season with their respective clubs so not unfit, they just need time to gel.
Worse Squad for Depth = Yes. Worse Squad for quality of players = No.
"Are we gonna win the league? No"...... "Have we got a chance of staying up? Same chance as everyone else do yes".
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Post by oldred on Aug 2, 2019 7:56:33 GMT
Depends whether you mean worse as in they are awful players and not good enough, or worse for simply lack of depth. To answer in Lee Bowyer style "Is this the worst group of players we've ever had? No".... "Is it the weakest squad for depth and experience? Yes".... "Do i need to bring in more players? Yes absolutely" The players we have brought in are not bad players at all and seem to have the desire to make the step up and should have our support, not flaming protests (leave that to the people who want to shell out to go to Belguim). Lockyer, Aneke, Oshilaja, Purrington and Williams are all decent additions (although the latter we know is good enough, but his injury issues are a problem). The fact we haven't brought in enough is the problem, not the quality of the players. A couple of experienced midfielders and another striker and i'll be happy enough, anything less will leave us struggling. Yes i'd be happier with 5-7 more players for added depth but that ain't gonna happen. The players should have all been in for pre-season. Waiting for Prem and upper Championship teams to allow us to loan their players is frustrating, but you can only hope those players have had game time pre-season with their respective clubs so not unfit, they just need time to gel. Worse Squad for Depth = Yes. Worse Squad for quality of players = No. "Are we gonna win the league? No"...... "Have we got a chance of staying up? Same chance as everyone else do yes". Haha, sounds good. Have you ever considered script writing ?
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 2, 2019 8:17:20 GMT
Depends whether you mean worse as in they are awful players and not good enough, or worse for simply lack of depth. To answer in Lee Bowyer style "Is this the worst group of players we've ever had? No".... "Is it the weakest squad for depth and experience? Yes".... "Do i need to bring in more players? Yes absolutely" The players we have brought in are not bad players at all and seem to have the desire to make the step up and should have our support, not flaming protests (leave that to the people who want to shell out to go to Belguim). Lockyer, Aneke, Oshilaja, Purrington and Williams are all decent additions (although the latter we know is good enough, but his injury issues are a problem). The fact we haven't brought in enough is the problem, not the quality of the players. A couple of experienced midfielders and another striker and i'll be happy enough, anything less will leave us struggling. Yes i'd be happier with 5-7 more players for added depth but that ain't gonna happen. The players should have all been in for pre-season. Waiting for Prem and upper Championship teams to allow us to loan their players is frustrating, but you can only hope those players have had game time pre-season with their respective clubs so not unfit, they just need time to gel. Worse Squad for Depth = Yes. Worse Squad for quality of players = No. "Are we gonna win the league? No"...... "Have we got a chance of staying up? Same chance as everyone else do yes". Very well summarised for me and spot on from my perspective. I’m hoping for a few quality loans to add some quality and a bit of spark to our line up. Pretty much like last year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 8:30:17 GMT
Relative to the league we are in - Is this the worst squad we have ever had? No What season did we have a squad that was not as good then?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 8:32:18 GMT
As it stands at present then it's the worst squad we have in the second tier of English football since the 1979/1980 season.
However the window has not closed yet so we will all have a better idea this time next week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 8:32:54 GMT
As it stands at present then it's the worst squad we have had in the second tier of English football since the 1979/1980 season. However the window has not closed yet so we will all have a better idea this time next week.
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Post by essexaddick on Aug 2, 2019 8:41:09 GMT
I’m going to wait until Thursday before I answer . Things might have changed dramatically by then. Unfortunatly they havn't
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Post by oldred on Aug 2, 2019 8:58:34 GMT
I’m going to wait until Thursday before I answer . Things might have changed dramatically by then. Unfortunatly they havn't .?? It’s not Thursday yet ?
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Post by sardonic on Aug 2, 2019 11:15:15 GMT
.?? It’s not Thursday yet ? Very true Oldred and after our first quality loan signing it could make this thread redundant over the next week!
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Post by AndyAddick on Aug 3, 2019 8:22:35 GMT
And still the debt mounts ever hour of every day ....
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 3, 2019 10:46:59 GMT
.?? It’s not Thursday yet ? Very true Oldred and after our first quality loan signing it could make this thread redundant over the next week! Hardly a quality loan signing mate. He was Chelsea'a academy player of the year, that's their 3rd tier and I doubt he will ever make the first team. If he was West Brom's academy player of the year we would all be underwhelmed let's be honest. He isn't a Cullen and he isn't a Bielik or Aribo so once again a player has come in who is nowhere near the quality of the players who have left. I think the lad is going to struggle at Championship level.
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Post by AndyAddick on Aug 3, 2019 11:03:26 GMT
Relative to the league we are in - Is this the worst squad we have ever had? yes, utterly underwhelmed, should be exciting times. Really feel for LB and his team AND the squad who have been cobbled together and most certainly out of their depth. One person is responsible for the situation, he NEVER wanted promotion !
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 3, 2019 11:21:33 GMT
Impossible to call until the window shuts and we see the a actual team a few times. Let's see where we are at the end of August.
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Post by sardonic on Aug 3, 2019 12:06:42 GMT
Very true Oldred and after our first quality loan signing it could make this thread redundant over the next week! Hardly a quality loan signing mate. He was Chelsea'a academy player of the year, that's their 3rd tier and I doubt he will ever make the first team. If he was West Brom's academy player of the year we would all be underwhelmed let's be honest. He isn't a Cullen and he isn't a Bielik or Aribo so once again a player has come in who is nowhere near the quality of the players who have left. I think the lad is going to struggle at Championship level. I think it is a quality signing personally. Also he isn’t West Brom’s academy player of the season, he’s Chelsea’s. The previous 4 academy players of the year for Chelsea were: 2015 Dominic Solanke 2016 Fikayo Tomori 2017 Mason Mount 2018 Reece James Judging by their seasons last year (Except Solanke who plays in premier league) and the fact Connor played in Chelsea first team during pre season suggests to me he has great potential. I guess we will find out over the course of the season.
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 3, 2019 16:13:49 GMT
Very true Oldred and after our first quality loan signing it could make this thread redundant over the next week! Hardly a quality loan signing mate. He was Chelsea'a academy player of the year, that's their 3rd tier and I doubt he will ever make the first team. If he was West Brom's academy player of the year we would all be underwhelmed let's be honest. He isn't a Cullen and he isn't a Bielik or Aribo so once again a player has come in who is nowhere near the quality of the players who have left. I think the lad is going to struggle at Championship level. With respect I have to disagree. When he came on for Sarr today the game changed and not just because Sarr was struggling. Found space, put in the running and placed some decent passes. To be the top academy prospect at one of the best academies in the country is something special. But it's unclear yet whether he will be a regular or rotate with the others? Looking forward to seeing him live at some point next Saturday, along with the rest of the lads.
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Post by oldred on Aug 3, 2019 16:25:49 GMT
I can’t believe how many new players are written off or judged not going to be good enough before anyone has seen them play for us in a decent number of games .
The kid looks quality, and only time will tell how successful he will be. I’ll trust SG and LB judgement of players.
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 3, 2019 17:32:13 GMT
I think my comments about Gallagher have been taken to literally to be honest.
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