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Joe Aribo
Sept 1, 2019 16:54:59 GMT
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Sept 1, 2019 16:54:59 GMT
Can't blame him with what RD did. Zzzzzzzzz Mr A, wake up.
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Joe Aribo
Sept 1, 2019 17:07:14 GMT
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Post by elfsborgfranboras on Sept 1, 2019 17:07:14 GMT
You just get such a boner for RD , you bring him up relentlessly, we all know he has no real interest in Charlton but not everything is his fault , Aribo agent influenced him massively. Stop spanking your piece over Roland and move on things are good .. You're such a funny geezer! His wage offer was apparently halved - I wouldn't accept that at work. Bummie would for the owner.
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Joe Aribo
Sept 1, 2019 17:14:24 GMT
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Post by sardonic on Sept 1, 2019 17:14:24 GMT
More insults to destroy another thread!
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Joe Aribo
Sept 1, 2019 17:15:29 GMT
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Post by AndyB on Sept 1, 2019 17:15:29 GMT
More insults to destroy another thread! or get it locked šš»
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Post by benj on Sept 1, 2019 17:21:28 GMT
To be fair Iām genuinely not arsed weāve lost him anymore. I feel he is a talented midfielder albeit somewhat overrated by our fans, and his performance today once again showed how he tends to go missing in big games (to be fair rangers may suit him as they only have about 4 big games a year). Our midfield now with the likes of Gallagher, Williams, Oztumer .etc is levels above what we had last year and weāve still got Kayal to make his debut
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Post by rationaladdick on Sept 1, 2019 17:30:25 GMT
If we did not lose Aribo, would we have got Gallagher? Gallagher seems the better item to me.
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Post by jonkool on Sept 1, 2019 20:34:01 GMT
You're such a funny geezer! His wage offer was apparently halved - I wouldn't accept that at work. Bummie would for the owner. Naughty Elfs - now play nice
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 1, 2019 20:38:05 GMT
If we did not lose Aribo, would we have got Gallagher? Gallagher seems the better item to me. It would appear so. The issue was never about the players that leave but the calibre of the replacements. A recent article suggested that 30% of player movement is now loan deals, up from 20% ten years ago. CAFC is now a top destination for EPL London club talent. Aribo has missed a trick by leaving, but that's really not our problem.
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Joe Aribo
Sept 1, 2019 20:43:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 20:43:03 GMT
If we did not lose Aribo, would we have got Gallagher? Gallagher seems the better item to me. It would appear so. The issue was never about the players that leave but the calibre of the replacements. A recent article suggested that 30% of player movement is now loan deals, up from 20% ten years ago. CAFC is now a top destination for EPL London club talent. Aribo has missed a trick by leaving, but that's really not our problem. Aribo has more than quadrupled his salary by leaving. Another incredible comment. The problem with replacing contracted home grown players with loans is obvious.
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Post by oldred on Sept 1, 2019 20:57:07 GMT
Loan players are the only option for many teams these days though, and our success at getting loans of higher quality has helped us both last season and this season.
The only thing Aribo has gained is a big pay rise, but then, maybe thatās the only thing that mattered.
Heās moved on, the team has moved on, itās time the fans moved on also, and Gallagher is a more than adequate replacement, even if its not permanent.
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Joe Aribo
Sept 1, 2019 21:18:50 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 1, 2019 21:18:50 GMT
It would appear so. The issue was never about the players that leave but the calibre of the replacements. A recent article suggested that 30% of player movement is now loan deals, up from 20% ten years ago. CAFC is now a top destination for EPL London club talent. Aribo has missed a trick by leaving, but that's really not our problem. Aribo has more than quadrupled his salary by leaving. Another incredible comment. The problem with replacing contracted home grown players with loans is obvious. His career earnings would be higher had he stayed with a successful CAFC - like I said, his loss not our problem. As for loans, you're conflicted and confused and have no answers except to abuse the owner. And those you perceive support him!
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Joe Aribo
Sept 1, 2019 21:25:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 21:25:37 GMT
Aribo has more than quadrupled his salary by leaving. Another incredible comment. The problem with replacing contracted home grown players with loans is obvious. His career earnings would be higher had he stayed with a successful CAFC - like I said, his loss not our problem. As for loans, you're conflicted and confused and have no answers except to abuse the owner. And those you perceive support him! Complete rubbish - you have no way of knowing what his career earnings would have been, you also have no way of knowing we would be successful. What we do know for a fact is that the owner fucked him on his contract here, and he will spend at least the next 3 years on Ā£20,000 a week at Rangers. Their highest paid player - source - numerous Rangers fans on social media.
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Sept 1, 2019 21:44:36 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 1, 2019 21:44:36 GMT
Loan players are the only option for many teams these days though, and our success at getting loans of higher quality has helped us both last season and this season. The only thing Aribo has gained is a big pay rise, but then, maybe thatās the only thing that mattered. Heās moved on, the team has moved on, itās time the fans moved on also, and Gallagher is a more than adequate replacement, even if its not permanent. Too right... and part of the case for putting in a cheeky bid for Cullen is to free up another loan slot in January. 30% of deals are loans these days across the top five leagues in Europe. That's how David Wagner secured promotion for Huddersfield a few years back - transfers and loans from Bundesliga 1 & 2. Some don't see it - their loss!
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Joe Aribo
Sept 2, 2019 6:46:45 GMT
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Post by bexleyboy on Sept 2, 2019 6:46:45 GMT
His career earnings would be higher had he stayed with a successful CAFC - like I said, his loss not our problem. As for loans, you're conflicted and confused and have no answers except to abuse the owner. And those you perceive support him! Complete rubbish - you have no way of knowing what his career earnings would have been, you also have no way of knowing we would be successful. What we do know for a fact is that the owner fucked him on his contract here, and he will spend at least the next 3 years on Ā£20,000 a week at Rangers. Their highest paid player - source - numerous Rangers fans on social media. We offered him 11k to stay ...
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Sept 2, 2019 6:56:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 6:56:33 GMT
Complete rubbish - you have no way of knowing what his career earnings would have been, you also have no way of knowing we would be successful. What we do know for a fact is that the owner fucked him on his contract here, and he will spend at least the next 3 years on Ā£20,000 a week at Rangers. Their highest paid player - source - numerous Rangers fans on social media. We offered him 11k to stay ... What was the first amount, that was withdrawn?.
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Post by oldred on Sept 2, 2019 7:56:15 GMT
We offered him 11k to stay ... What was the first amount, that was withdrawn?. If that was the amount offered, and we have no way of knowing if that is anywhere near correct, then that would be the original offer that was reported to have been halved. There is is no way we would have offered 22k a week originally.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 8:36:33 GMT
What was the first amount, that was withdrawn?. If that was the amount offered, and we have no way of knowing if that is anywhere near correct, then that would be the original offer that was reported to have been halved. There is is no way we would have offered 22k a week originally. This is all guesswork, nobody knows apart from the parties involved. That is Aribo, his agent and the Club. Did your physio friend tell you Bexley Boy?
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Joe Aribo
Sept 2, 2019 9:44:54 GMT
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Post by hairyhotdog on Sept 2, 2019 9:44:54 GMT
Who really cares....? We are unbeaten and 2nd in the Championship, Aribo isnāt our player and weāve moved on... itās a shame but itās football...
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Joe Aribo
Sept 2, 2019 9:46:00 GMT
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Post by hairyhotdog on Sept 2, 2019 9:46:00 GMT
Plus he wouldnāt get in our starting XI anyhow so he has more money and regular football , itās a win win....
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Joe Aribo
Sept 2, 2019 9:58:10 GMT
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Post by jonkool on Sept 2, 2019 9:58:10 GMT
Time to move as Iām sure Steve G is at present in terms of scouting to replace Lyle and possible returning loans in January.
If we are still riding high in January (a very big IF) WBA may want one if not two back to take the wind out of our sails.
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Sept 2, 2019 16:15:58 GMT
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Post by rationaladdick on Sept 2, 2019 16:15:58 GMT
Aribo and Grant (and Taylor) are worth Ā£20,000 per week easy. Thatās just the average Championship wage. If we still had them both (and retain Taylor,) I suspect we might well get promoted this year. The cost would be Ā£3M total on the wage bill, keeping CAFC well within FFP-limits. But that Ā£3M investment might have added Ā£100M to the value of the club. Another example of Roland unable to decipher the difference between cost and investment.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 2, 2019 16:59:21 GMT
Aribo and Grant (and Taylor) are worth Ā£20,000 per week easy. Thatās just the average Championship wage. If we still had them both (and retain Taylor,) I suspect we might well get promoted this year. The cost would be Ā£3M total on the wage bill, keeping CAFC well within FFP-limits. But that Ā£3M investment might have added Ā£100M to the value of the club. Another example of Roland unable to decipher the difference between cost and investment. The key word there is āmightā Mr Spock. There is no guarantee that if we still had Aribo and Grant the side would be more effective. And even if we were more effective itās far from certain weād challenge for a playoff place. The logic which says āspend Ā£3m to make Ā£100mā is precisely what has led to the financial arms race in the Championship, ruinous losses and unsustainable levels of debt. Football club owners are making decisions under conditions of profound uncertainty. Unfortunately, there is no reliable link between an increase in wage budget and points won.
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Joe Aribo
Sept 2, 2019 17:13:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 17:13:45 GMT
Is this going to turn into yet another thread about RD ? Nope. A comment was made about Aribo leaving because his agent was greedy. That's not entirely true that's all. Why did the agent allegedly, not tell him of Brentfords bid?.
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Sept 2, 2019 17:19:56 GMT
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Post by ashaddick on Sept 2, 2019 17:19:56 GMT
Iām amazed by people having time in their day to watch Scottish football, havenāt you got any jobs to do ? I must have a word with my wife, my job list is like the little brown jug, self filling.
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Sept 2, 2019 17:35:31 GMT
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Post by rationaladdick on Sept 2, 2019 17:35:31 GMT
Aribo and Grant (and Taylor) are worth Ā£20,000 per week easy. Thatās just the average Championship wage. If we still had them both (and retain Taylor,) I suspect we might well get promoted this year. The cost would be Ā£3M total on the wage bill, keeping CAFC well within FFP-limits. But that Ā£3M investment might have added Ā£100M to the value of the club. Another example of Roland unable to decipher the difference between cost and investment. The key word there is āmightā Mr Spock. There is no guarantee that if we still had Aribo and Grant the side would be more effective. And even if we were more effective itās far from certain weād challenge for a playoff place. The logic which says āspend Ā£3m to make Ā£100mā is precisely what has led to the financial arms race in the Championship, ruinous losses and unsustainable levels of debt. Football club owners are making decisions under conditions of profound uncertainty. Unfortunately, there is no reliable link between an increase in wage budget and points won. I see your point but have to disagree with part of it. No club in The Championship has gone under trying to turn 3 million into 100 million. They have gone under trying to turn 50 million into 100 million. 20,000 per week is the average Championship wage, not overspending. Right now we do not have a single player on our club making the average wage. Having 3 players out of 22 on the league average is not overspending. Itās common sense.
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Post by sardonic on Sept 2, 2019 17:53:37 GMT
The key word there is āmightā Mr Spock. There is no guarantee that if we still had Aribo and Grant the side would be more effective. And even if we were more effective itās far from certain weād challenge for a playoff place. The logic which says āspend Ā£3m to make Ā£100mā is precisely what has led to the financial arms race in the Championship, ruinous losses and unsustainable levels of debt. Football club owners are making decisions under conditions of profound uncertainty. Unfortunately, there is no reliable link between an increase in wage budget and points won. I see your point but have to disagree with part of it. No club in The Championship has gone under trying to turn 3 million into 100 million. They have gone under trying to turn 50 million into 100 million. 20,000 per week is the average Championship wage, not overspending. Right now we do not have a single player on our club making the average wage. Having 3 players out of 22 on the league average is not overspending. Itās common sense. Except it wouldnāt stop with 3 because the other players would want to be paid higher as well. It risks losing the harmony and team spirit.
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Joe Aribo
Sept 2, 2019 18:03:22 GMT
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Post by scabbyhorse on Sept 2, 2019 18:03:22 GMT
It's not 3 million though is it , factor in 2 - 3 year deal as well.
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Sept 2, 2019 18:04:45 GMT
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Post by scabbyhorse on Sept 2, 2019 18:04:45 GMT
Also 20k a week is not over spending if you have parachute money, we ain't unfortunately.
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Post by oldred on Sept 2, 2019 18:08:59 GMT
I see your point but have to disagree with part of it. No club in The Championship has gone under trying to turn 3 million into 100 million. They have gone under trying to turn 50 million into 100 million. 20,000 per week is the average Championship wage, not overspending. Right now we do not have a single player on our club making the average wage. Having 3 players out of 22 on the league average is not overspending. Itās common sense. Except it wouldnāt stop with 3 because the other players would want to be paid higher as well. It risks losing the harmony and team spirit. And that would be a problem. Paying any player triple the amount of the others in the squad, who are essentially doing the same job albeit in a different position. LB will do nothing to disrupt the special relationship and togetherness of the squad that he went to great lengths to assemble.
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Sept 2, 2019 18:12:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 18:12:06 GMT
Also 20k a week is not over spending if you have parachute money, we ain't unfortunately. It still is, if underachieving.
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