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Post by oldred on May 30, 2019 17:28:48 GMT
The only surprise for me was a contract being offered to Fosu , who has been on the missing persons list for quite a while . Would be nice if we could work out a deal with Williams , but obviously depends on him and what other offers he gets . Rich Cawley said its probably so we can get fee for Fosu he 99% he will still go . Ah sounds feasible, but how likely is he to accept a new contract though ?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 17:36:40 GMT
Rich Cawley said its probably so we can get fee for Fosu he 99% he will still go . Ah sounds feasible, but how likely is he to accept a new contract though ? Who knows
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 17:46:21 GMT
Ah sounds feasible, but how likely is he to accept a new contract though ? Who knows He doesnt have to accept it, I dont think. Club have to offer, and not less than current one. Is that correct?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 17:51:38 GMT
He doesnt have to accept it, I dont think. Club have to offer, and not less than current one. Is that correct? Not sure mate to be honest
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Post by willett on May 30, 2019 17:52:25 GMT
Not really surprised by any apart from Fosu.
Bowyer obviously wanted Williams but RD wouldn't support him by offering the wages.
Suggests that we will be working with a low budget.
Have heard that Aribo and Bauer are likely to leave, so wouldn't surprise me if their wage offers aren't as much as they want.
Going to be another close season full of change.
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Post by mersthamred on May 30, 2019 18:17:40 GMT
Not really surprised by any apart from Fosu. Bowyer obviously wanted Williams but RD wouldn't support him by offering the wages. Suggests that we will be working with a low budget. Have heard that Aribo and Bauer are likely to leave, so wouldn't surprise me if their wage offers aren't as much as they want. Going to be another close season full of change. I suppose it depends on how much RD is prepared to pay in order to get a transfer fee later... Aribo is the key one for me having lost Cullen. Pay Aribo well and RD can sell him next season for s decent fee if he must.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 19:11:36 GMT
Not really surprised by any apart from Fosu. Bowyer obviously wanted Williams but RD wouldn't support him by offering the wages. Suggests that we will be working with a low budget. Have heard that Aribo and Bauer are likely to leave, so wouldn't surprise me if their wage offers aren't as much as they want. Going to be another close season full of change. I doubt we know, how much JW is worth paying, as just ended long contract at Palace on Premiership Wages. Fantastic player, that needs to prove fitness', and may have to lower his financial expectations, if we know what they are. Seems a watch and wait situation. I hope he stays, because going by a stripey Nigel friend, we have not seen the best of him.
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Post by oldred on May 30, 2019 19:59:07 GMT
I wonder what the strategy will be for new signings , maybe the same as before if the budget is indeed small as LB has suggested.
I think he will be hoping our relationship with teams such as Arsenal and West Ham , will result in more good quality loans .
Then there is the pool of out of contact players , we can dip into from Championship clubs . Maybe if the budget is really low , we will look to bring in the better players from league one , that impressed ,and could potentially step up a level .. Players like Tom Eves , or Wilkes who was on loan at Donny .
The only problem with the loans , is that we probably won’t know until late who we will get, as in this season with Cullen and Bielik .
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Post by jonkool on May 30, 2019 20:33:50 GMT
I wonder what the strategy will be for new signings , maybe the same as before if the budget is indeed small as LB has suggested. I think he will be hoping our relationship with teams such as Arsenal and West Ham , will result in more good quality loans . Then there is the pool of out of contact players , we can dip into from Championship clubs . Maybe if the budget is really low , we will look to bring in the better players from league one , that impressed ,and could potentially step up a level .. Players like Tom Eves , or Wilkes who was on loan at Donny . The only problem with the loans , is that we probably won’t know until late who we will get, as in this season with Cullen and Bielik . The window closes for us in early August not the 31st so business will be completed earlier. Bows and Steve G will need to have a ‘Moneyball’ strategy where they identify undervalued players who come at a discount. The responsibility of the coaching staff is to polish rough (hopefully) diamond. It comes with risk but the boys maximised performance of most of the squad this past season and so why not again? It’s going to be an interesting if not challenging close season and that’s not including any ownership issues and all we can do is to keep faith in Bows Jacko Steve G and Steve A.
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Post by Mundell on May 30, 2019 21:41:02 GMT
Duchatelet has a real dilemma. It’s clear that he has no interest in funding a club in the Championship, where wage bills and aggregate losses are eye watering. Can’t really blame him.
It follows that, all other things being equal, we might expect Lee Bowyer to be given a minimalist budget and hence need to produce a minor miracle to avoid relegation back to League One.
However, all other things are not equal. The fact that Duchatelet is trying to sell, and he might well be more determined than ever to do so, changes the position he’s in in two important ways.
First, the club will suddenly look less attractive, once again, if by the end of August it has become clear that the team is not competitive. Buying the club in the Championship is only more attractive than buying it in League One if it’s not destined to make an immediate return to Level 3.
Second, if Duchatelet believes that a sale is imminent then he also knows that he is only on the hook for a higher wage bill for a relatively short period. This might be important.
Being more generous with short-term funding might be good business if it reduces the risk of a sale falling through. Moreover, if the worst comes to the worst, from Duchatelet’s perspective, good players under contract are saleable assets.
What does this mean? First, much might depend on how imminent Duchatelet thinks a sale might be. The closer a possible sale, the more generous with funding he might be. I know that might seem a little counterintuitive.
Second, it follows that we might be pleasantly surprised by the willingness, within reason, to offer the deals needed to retain Aribo and Bauer and to attract new players.
Third, it seems unlikely Duchatelet will be willing to provide the funding for transfer fees. He might take the view that this is money he’s unlikely to ever get back.
Bowyer, Gallen and Jackson are going to have to work hard to assemble a competitive squad. However, it’s possible we’ll be pleasantly surprised by the funding available for wage bill. That said, it is essential that Duchatelet now finds a buyer for the club and the more confident he is that he’ll succeed the more generous he may prove to be in the meantime.
Just my speculation, of course.
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Post by bexleyboy on May 31, 2019 7:11:30 GMT
Not really surprised by any apart from Fosu. Bowyer obviously wanted Williams but RD wouldn't support him by offering the wages. Suggests that we will be working with a low budget. Have heard that Aribo and Bauer are likely to leave, so wouldn't surprise me if their wage offers aren't as much as they want. Going to be another close season full of change. Bowyer wanted Belik and Cullen and Taylor RD found the money for them but don’t hear you thanking him for that .... we are not going to pay 20k plus for anyone
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Post by divot on May 31, 2019 7:14:14 GMT
I like Williams a lot but would you make him one of your highest wage earners, given that he's got a huge injury record, doesn't score goals, struggles to do 90 mins and is used more as an impact player?
I think the sensible answer to that is, no you wouldn't. So it might be that JW has to be realistic about his wage expectations (and I'm sure he will be realistic because he seems a very level headed bloke).
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 7:58:25 GMT
I like Williams a lot but would you make him one of your highest wage earners, given that he's got a huge injury record, doesn't score goals, struggles to do 90 mins and is used more as an impact player? I think the sensible answer to that is, no you wouldn't. So it might be that JW has to be realistic about his wage expectations (and I'm sure he will be realistic because he seems a very level headed bloke). Yes and I’m sure LB has looked at this. I think any agent would try to get the highest wage possible for his player so it maybe that over time his demands may lower but others may come in by then. Williams should also consider the ability of his next coach to get the best out of him footballing wise as no point being in the bench at his age.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 8:06:41 GMT
I like Williams a lot but would you make him one of your highest wage earners, given that he's got a huge injury record, doesn't score goals, struggles to do 90 mins and is used more as an impact player? I think the sensible answer to that is, no you wouldn't. So it might be that JW has to be realistic about his wage expectations (and I'm sure he will be realistic because he seems a very level headed bloke). Yes and I’m sure LB has looked at this. I think any agent would try to get the highest wage possible for his player so it maybe that over time his demands may lower but others may come in by then. Williams should also consider the ability of his next coach to get the best out of him footballing wise as no point being in the bench at his age. First time Jonny William's has been in this position. My stripey Nigel friend, was gutted when he left, without those injuries he would have been a regular starter. Pre season and no injuries, and maybe a different JW. Strikes me as very level headed I'm sure you wont get him going back and forwards saying, can get this here etc. Whatever his future holds, I hope he does well. I hope he signs for us .😊
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Post by reamsofverse on May 31, 2019 8:30:08 GMT
I'd like us to target Championship players who didn't have much game time last season, like Billy Bodin at Preston for example.
There are some good players in L1 too who could adjust to the Championship quite easily.
I think we'll also have Cullen and Bielik back next season too for the next step on their career paths. Neither have played in the Championship and that has to be better than EPL reserve matches.
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Post by hairyhotdog on May 31, 2019 8:47:59 GMT
Was reading about that Mcauley Bonne that we’d been linked with , he’s off to play in the African Nations Cup... he seems like he may be worth taking a flyer on...
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Post by surfaddick on May 31, 2019 8:49:08 GMT
Be interesting to see what we do with Igor's wage money. I think he was the most expensive player that we bought under Roland (£2.4 million?) so expect that he was one of the highest earners too. I'd hope that we've split that money into three pots, and offered it to Aribo, JFC and Bauer under improved deals. That might give us a shot at holding onto them. The other released players – Reeves and Ajose – we have definitely overpaid for. There must be better options in the market.
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Post by bexleyboy on May 31, 2019 9:00:47 GMT
I'd like us to target Championship players who didn't have much game time last season, like Billy Bodin at Preston for example. There are some good players in L1 too who could adjust to the Championship quite easily. I think we'll also have Cullen and Bielik back next season too for the next step on their career paths. Neither have played in the Championship and that has to be better than EPL reserve matches. Agree Reams .... but I think these deals will be 11pm on Aug 8th
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 12:02:20 GMT
Grant Ward on our radar.
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Post by jonkool on May 31, 2019 12:05:53 GMT
I'd like us to target Championship players who didn't have much game time last season, like Billy Bodin at Preston for example. There are some good players in L1 too who could adjust to the Championship quite easily. I think we'll also have Cullen and Bielik back next season too for the next step on their career paths. Neither have played in the Championship and that has to be better than EPL reserve matches. We now know that the coaching team have the ability of spotting undervalued talent and creating an environment where individuals and the team progress. So picking through Div 1 and Championship cast offs may bare fruit before we start negotiating loan deals. So long as Bows and staff sign those new contracts
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Post by jonkool on May 31, 2019 12:15:37 GMT
Looked him up on Wiki and he's played a fair amount of tier 2 football and at 24 is a good age. Not sure whether he wasn't offered a new contract based on performance or the club wishing to cut down the wage bill. This is yet another case of relying on the judgement of Bows and Steve G How many times will we be saying that this summer
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Post by hairyhotdog on May 31, 2019 12:29:04 GMT
Looked him up on Wiki and he's played a fair amount of tier 2 football and at 24 is a good age. Not sure whether he wasn't offered a new contract based on performance or the club wishing to cut down the wage bill. This is yet another case of relying on the judgement of Bows and Steve G How many times will we be saying that this summer He’ll be no use str8 off the bat as he did his ACL in December , not gonna be available until November at the earliest I’d imagine...
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Post by ExeterAddick on May 31, 2019 14:51:05 GMT
I'd like us to target Championship players who didn't have much game time last season, like Billy Bodin at Preston for example. There are some good players in L1 too who could adjust to the Championship quite easily. I think we'll also have Cullen and Bielik back next season too for the next step on their career paths. Neither have played in the Championship and that has to be better than EPL reserve matches. Problem is that West Ham may want to cash in on Cullen given his age and we wouldn't be able to afford the transfer fee.
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Post by bexleyboy on May 31, 2019 14:58:08 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on May 31, 2019 15:22:08 GMT
Duchatelet has a real dilemma. It’s clear that he has no interest in funding a club in the Championship, where wage bills and aggregate losses are eye watering. Can’t really blame him. It follows that, all other things being equal, we might expect Lee Bowyer to be given a minimalist budget and hence need to produce a minor miracle to avoid relegation back to League One. However, all other things are not equal. The fact that Duchatelet is trying to sell, and he might well be more determined than ever to do so, changes the position he’s in in two important ways. First, the club will suddenly look less attractive, once again, if by the end of August it has become clear that the team is not competitive. Buying the club in the Championship is only more attractive than buying it in League One if it’s not destined to make an immediate return to Level 3. Second, if Duchatelet believes that a sale is imminent then he also knows that he is only on the hook for a higher wage bill for a relatively short period. This might be important. Being more generous with short-term funding might be good business if it reduces the risk of a sale falling through. Moreover, if the worst comes to the worst, from Duchatelet’s perspective, good players under contract are saleable assets. What does this mean? First, much might depend on how imminent Duchatelet thinks a sale might be. The closer a possible sale, the more generous with funding he might be. I know that might seem a little counterintuitive. Second, it follows that we might be pleasantly surprised by the willingness, within reason, to offer the deals needed to retain Aribo and Bauer and to attract new players. Third, it seems unlikely Duchatelet will be willing to provide the funding for transfer fees. He might take the view that this is money he’s unlikely to ever get back. Bowyer, Gallen and Jackson are going to have to work hard to assemble a competitive squad. However, it’s possible we’ll be pleasantly surprised by the funding available for wage bill. That said, it is essential that Duchatelet now finds a buyer for the club and the more confident he is that he’ll succeed the more generous he may prove to be in the meantime. Just my speculation, of course. Very well put and a rational explanation as to why the owner won't allow last season's progress to be reversed. Would just add that only RD and LDT know precisely how talks are going. From the outside all I can add is that both Wolves and Wednesday went for c.£50M as mid-table clubs. It is perhaps in RDs interest to aim for mid-table to keep the club positive and attractive. But it certainly is not in his financial interests to spend millions on fees unless he or the new owners have a very aggressive plan to reach the Premier League. And that in turn would place the management team and existing players at risk! As well as the club finances. We've lost the midfield who won us promotion and there is effectively a blank canvas in terms of the squad for next season. The released list will have come as no surprise, but we don't know who is coming through from the academy, how much our young players will improve, nor who Gallen and Bowyer can attract on loan. And that all adds up to a large part of the squad for next season. Assuming Bowyer stays, he too has a massive learning curve ahead of him. Not watched much Championship football of late but it's played to a far higher standard than League 1.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 15:30:28 GMT
Yeah seriouslyred , we my yet end up missing playing against the likes of Scunthorpe and Rochdale - I imagine it's going to be a rough tough old season.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 15:52:10 GMT
Who can also play upfront.
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Post by 1978sussex on May 31, 2019 16:02:39 GMT
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Post by MurciaAl on May 31, 2019 16:17:09 GMT
Wow, they're supposed to be signing Josh Morris from Scunthorpe as well!
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Post by 1978sussex on May 31, 2019 16:29:30 GMT
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