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Post by bexleyboy on Apr 26, 2019 15:20:04 GMT
Players refusing to play last two games due to still no wages been paid despite takeover being completed ...., what a mess and again the EFL just don’t do anything , how many times have Bolton been allowed to break rules ... it’s ridiculous
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 18:06:47 GMT
Looks like having a new owner has not solved Bolton's problems.
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 26, 2019 18:23:27 GMT
Let's relieve Otzumer of his misey over the summer.
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Post by bexleyboy on Apr 26, 2019 21:21:40 GMT
Just seen the new Bolton owner on Sky Sports ... blimey CAFC fans should all watch it if they think we are in a mess ... Bolton are a shambles ............ we are a well run club compared to this clown 🤡
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Post by bexleyboy on Apr 26, 2019 21:36:46 GMT
Bolton game tomorrow has now been called off ... what are EFL going to do now ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 21:47:24 GMT
Bolton game tomorrow has now been called off ... what are EFL going to do now ? That's practically unheard of at Championship level. Bad weather aside, when was the last time a 2nd Division Club could not fulfill a scheduled league fixture? If the EFL has it in their power they should relegate Bolton to League 2 next season and allow an extra team to be promoted from that league, and from League 1. But I suppose that will be logistically too difficult at this late stage of the season. Perhaps a 30 point deduction for the beginning of next season, or something of that nature. Clubs must fulfill their fixtures. It has to be the one rule they are never allowed to break. Chaos could follow if this goes without proper punishment.
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Post by oldred on Apr 26, 2019 21:55:15 GMT
And we think that we have big problems.
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Post by bigandy99 on Apr 26, 2019 22:13:24 GMT
Brentford fans who’ve bought rail tickets and booked hotels must be right chuffed - appalling that this can happen
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 26, 2019 23:58:37 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on Apr 27, 2019 7:36:32 GMT
A club which repeatedly cannot afford to pay players should have a transfer embargo slapped on. One wonders if the compliance system should go further and all clubs should have to file quarterly returns to show they are financilly sound as well as complying with FFP.
Wages in the Championship have gone through the roof over the last five years and certain clubs have broken limits while they pursue promotion to the EPL. Clearly this has raised the cost for all 24 clubs.
Bolton are relegated anyway so they haven't distorted the table. But what if they had finished higher up away from relegation but without the cash to pay for that outcome?
Some like to compare CAFC to the likes of Blackpool, Bolton and Coventry but there really is no comparison. For which one of those clubs was behaving in a normal fashion whilst up for sale?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 8:49:44 GMT
Just made the BBC news, which seeing as it isn't The Premiership is amazing in itself.
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Post by Mundell on Apr 27, 2019 10:43:46 GMT
This article on Bolton Wanderers sets out the background to the club’s travails. The problem is depressingly simple. It’s not that Bolton are overspending or being managed recklessly, the issue appears to be that Kenneth Anderson simply can’t afford to own the club. The mystery is is why he bought it in the first place. Did he really not understand what he was getting himself into? Not sure what the EFL should do now, especially given the club is in the process of being sold. Fact is they should never have passed Anderson as ‘fit and proper’ in the first place, though it’s easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. Not sure the players are behaving responsibly. It’s clearly not acceptable that they’ve not been paid, but much less clear how strike action helps. Indeed, it could create complete chaos. I wonder who, if anyone, is advising them. The PFA strike me as out of touch and completely hopeless. Feel a bit for Phil Parkinson. A very decent man who has done a fantastic job in almost impossible circumstances.
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Post by 1978sussex on Apr 27, 2019 11:03:49 GMT
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Post by 1978sussex on Apr 27, 2019 11:08:01 GMT
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Post by AndyAddick on Apr 27, 2019 13:02:20 GMT
Well , this clown is about to take over at Bolton HOW is beyond me when he walked out of Watford with 1.5m in his back pocket ! And we think our owner is a melt !! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Bassini
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Post by AndyAddick on Apr 27, 2019 13:02:58 GMT
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Post by Mundell on Apr 27, 2019 13:30:22 GMT
Can’t really see how Bassani can pass the fit and proper test. Bit of a dilemma for the EFL though. Blocking the takeover would leave the miserable Anderson in charge and that’s clearly a major problem too.
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Post by AndyAddick on Apr 27, 2019 15:30:17 GMT
Can’t really see how Bassani can pass the fit and proper test. Bit of a dilemma for the EFL though. Blocking the takeover would leave the miserable Anderson in charge and that’s clearly a major problem too. Is it Anderson who supposedly put 200 mill in ?
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Post by seriouslyred on Apr 27, 2019 16:31:37 GMT
As per the article below it was Davies and Gartside who injected and spent the best part of £200M and much of that when they were in the EPL! At least £170M was written off when the club changed hands. www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/oct/11/phil-gartside-bolton-wanderers-abyssOnce there's a culture of spending millions on rubbish players, it's hard to change as we all know from our own experience at CAFC.
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Post by Mundell on Apr 28, 2019 5:37:44 GMT
Can’t really see how Bassani can pass the fit and proper test. Bit of a dilemma for the EFL though. Blocking the takeover would leave the miserable Anderson in charge and that’s clearly a major problem too. Is it Anderson who supposedly put 200 mill in ? Bolton’s accounts are a bit murky (to me at least) and the return for the year ending June 18 is a month late, which in itself may be revealing. However, I doubt Anderson has made much of an investment in Bolton and it’s clear that he’s been struggling to find the money to pay the player’s wages. It’s equally clear he should never have been allowed to buy the club in the first place. That said, neither the losses nor any remaining debt are down to Anderson. The wage bill was cut savagely when the club was relegated to League One and I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t increased on promotion. As far as I can tell, money has not been spent on transfers. It’s a shame that CAST, CARD et al can’t be bothered to think about what’s happened at Blackpool, Bolton, Coventry and elsewhere. If they did, they might learn something and perhaps see what’s happened at Charlton under Duchatelet in a slightly different light. They might even feel a little less sorry for themselves. For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not defending Duchatelet.
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Post by kings hill addick on Apr 28, 2019 8:20:00 GMT
Bolton game tomorrow has now been called off ... what are EFL going to do now ? That's practically unheard of at Championship level. Bad weather aside, when was the last time a 2nd Division Club could not fulfill a scheduled league fixture? If the EFL has it in their power they should relegate Bolton to League 2 next season and allow an extra team to be promoted from that league, and from League 1. But I suppose that will be logistically too difficult at this late stage of the season. Perhaps a 30 point deduction for the beginning of next season, or something of that nature. Clubs must fulfill their fixtures. It has to be the one rule they are never allowed to break. Chaos could follow if this goes without proper punishment. It would be logistically possible but if there would be a need for an appeal that could drag on past the playoff dates. Clearly the club is in a pickle but I can’t help thinking that the players are, probably, below average in the Championship - based on their league position - so maybe the players should be thinking about if they are being paid what they are, actually, worth. How many of them would get more money elsewhere if they were given free transfers? Going on strike is shameful and when you think that many of the fans that paid for travel etc. probably earn less in a year than some of these players earn in a month. Interestingly I believe that employers don’t have to pay staff when they are on strike and as one could argue that they are paid to play football matches they might have forfeited much of what they claim they are owed.
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Post by Mundell on Apr 28, 2019 8:35:29 GMT
Here’s an update from today’s Sunday Times. What a shambles. Are the PFA really going to ‘picket’ in an attempt to prevent Bolton’s U18s fulfilling their remaining fixtures?! Having reflected further on the strike by Bolton’s senior players I’ve concluded, in agreement with kings hill addick that’s its highly questionable behaviour. Selfish and misguided their action hurts many innocent parties while having no real impact on the culprit. I see that culprit is now taking a swing at the prospective buyer. Retarded isn’t the word. And why would Bassini fund the wage bill when he hasn’t yet purchased the club. Dealing with a shyster like Anderson he’d have no chance of getting the money back if the deal fell through.
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Post by jonkool on Apr 28, 2019 9:51:55 GMT
The EFL should hit the club with a huge points deduction but I doubt they will do so.
The only innocent parties are the fans, the suppliers and the ordinary folk who work for the football club.
For the life of me I cannot see how the prospective new owner can meet the new right and proper person requirement given his track record.
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Post by wellingaddick on Apr 28, 2019 10:45:37 GMT
Bolton have been a financial basket case ever since their Premiership days. Gartside is as responsible for the current mess as Anderson is. I find it difficult to sympathise for their fans though. Not only did they have years in the Premiership on what was basically 'hire purchase'. But in league One a couple of years back, they were allowed by the EFL to run a playing squad, that no club in the division could possibly afford, to the detriment of all the other clubs in the division at the time (including us!). I'll bet their fans were not considering all these consequences, whilst they were celebrating promotion that year. Sooner or later, a team will go completely bust, with all this crazy debt in the game that exists below the 'promised land'. Perhaps it will take such an event to be the necessary wake up call for the EFL to start administering the game and the clubs correctly and in that, includes the 'fit and proper person' test! Bolton should start next season with a points deduction as jonkool as stated, if of course, they still exist!
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Post by bexleyboy on May 2, 2019 20:24:24 GMT
Bolton takeover now off ......
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 20:31:08 GMT
Bolton takeover now off ...... And I heard the PFA are loaning players the equivalent of their wages to get them back onto the pitch. They are now supposed to play Brentford on Tuesday, the day after the Bank holiday weekend. Can all the elements of a league match even be arranged in so little time? What a mess.
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Post by jonkool on May 2, 2019 20:33:27 GMT
Bolton takeover now off ...... From what I understand of the potential purchaser the EFL would completely lose face if they confirmed that he met the updated ‘fit & proper’ test. So why not insist that the new consortium needs to inject additional capital to meet longer term running costs? That sorts out that problem 🤫
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Post by dartford36 on May 3, 2019 12:14:36 GMT
Their rearranged game with Brentford has been scrapped by the EFL, with Brentford awarded a 1-0 victory. It goes from bizarre to ridiculous. This can’t be the end of the matter, surely?
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Post by wellingaddick on May 3, 2019 12:19:38 GMT
Their rearranged game with Brentford has been scrapped by the EFL, with Brentford awarded a 1-0 victory. It goes from bizarre to ridiculous. This can’t be the end of the matter, surely? They are going to be charged with misconduct. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48151016Bolton's rearranged Championship game versus Brentford will now not take place and the Bees will be given three points on the basis of a 1-0 victory. The match was scheduled to take place on Saturday, 27 April but was called off 16 hours before kick-off as players refused to play over unpaid wages. Unable to confirm that adequate safety personnel will be in place, Bolton were given a prohibition notice. The EFL said Bolton were now guilty of misconduct and will be disciplined. "Following the decision taken by Bolton Wanderers' Safety Advisory Group (SAG) to issue a prohibition notice preventing Tuesday's rearranged fixture with Brentford from taking place, the EFL will not be asking that the game is played at a future date," an English Football League statement said. "There is no provision under EFL regulations to direct clubs to play at a later date than four days past the conclusion of the season and, as a result, it has been determined that Brentford will be awarded the three points on the basis of a 1-0 victory. "As a consequence, Bolton Wanderers is now deemed to be guilty of misconduct by the EFL which will result in disciplinary proceedings against the club being taken at an appropriate time." Bolton, who have already been relegated from the Championship to League One, were initially told that they must complete the fixture "at the earliest opportunity". The EFL had said that it was "satisfied that a team can be selected from the players they have registered and available to them" for their remaining two league fixtures, even if first-team players do not make themselves available for selection. Sunday's game away at Nottingham Forest will go ahead as planned after the squad made themselves available to play in that match. BBC Sport understands the PFA agreed to loan the club money to cover part of the unpaid wages earlier this week, although defender Andy Taylor told BBC Radio 5 Live on Friday that they still have not received any payments towards their outstanding wages for March and April. Despite the Brentford home fixture later being arranged for Tuesday, 7 May - two days after the season ends - the EFL made the decision to call the match off altogether and award the Bees victory in the process.
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Post by bexleyboy on May 3, 2019 13:02:02 GMT
Bolton fail to fulfill their fixtures need to be punished or what’s the point of rules that the rest of us follow and try and get success the correct way , Bolton have been breaking the rules for two many seasons now and seem to the rest of us being allowed to get away with it ...
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