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Post by revilo on Mar 22, 2019 11:30:40 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 22, 2019 12:58:48 GMT
Puts them right in the relegation zone that and a fully deserved punishment.
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Post by wellingaddick on Mar 22, 2019 14:15:28 GMT
Absolutely crazy that they raised their wage bill from £22m to £38m. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47667742Someone, somewhere, has really got to get a grip, especially with the clubs in the Championship. They must no longer be able to set their own financial fair play rules like they did a few years ago and yet still exceed the limits. The punishments have got to be more severe i.e. relegation. I'm also hearing that Blackburn posted a loss of over £16m for the season they were in League One, so the problem is not just confined to the Championship! Sooner or later, a club will go to the wall and I fear a domino effect! |
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Post by cafcjack83 on Mar 22, 2019 16:12:35 GMT
Puts them right in the relegation zone that and a fully deserved punishment. Puts them on 41 points which is 5 points above the zone Birmingham 41 Wigan 39 Millwall 37
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 17:47:23 GMT
Puts them right in the relegation zone that and a fully deserved punishment. Puts them on 41 points which is 5 points above the zone Birmingham 41 Wigan 39 Millwall 37
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 18:42:12 GMT
Other clubs Wolves, QPR, Bournemouth, Brighton etc don't get points deducted as they get to premier League within 3 seasons even though they lose more than £39m in 1/2 years.
Other clubs must be at risk for similar points deductions, could be wrong but Derby, Forest may be heading that way especially if EFL doesn't allow write off of debts etc.
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Post by Mundell on Mar 22, 2019 20:06:46 GMT
Birmingham we’re taking the mickey and fully deserved to be punished. However, the points deduction has clearly been very carefully calibrated to appear severe while, in practice, not damaging. Blues were highly unlikely to make the playoffs, but will almost certainly comfortably avoid relegation. They’re now home free for three seasons.
Don’t really understand why the Pedersen signing wasn’t an aggravating factor. Seems to me that when they did that Blues were saying ‘Up Yours’ to the EFL.
Sorry if that all sounds a bit cynical.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 20:51:50 GMT
Puts them right in the relegation zone that and a fully deserved punishment. Got away lightly it should have been 12 like they said horrible 4th rate club |
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Post by jonkool on Mar 22, 2019 21:26:38 GMT
Birmingham we’re taking the mickey and fully deserved to be punished. However, the points deduction has clearly been very carefully calibrated to appear severe while, in practice, not damaging. Blues were highly unlikely to make the playoffs, but will almost certainly comfortably avoid relegation. They’re now home free for three seasons. Don’t really understand why the Pedersen signing wasn’t an aggravating factor. Seems to me that when they did that Blues were saying ‘Up Yours’ to the EFL. Sorry if that all sounds a bit cynical. If I’m correct the new fair play rules permit points deduction of up to 21 points. If true then it has to be said that the independent adjudicators- no not the EFL - are a cynical bunch in sending a message but in reality avoiding placing a large club into relegation. A very tepid penalty compared to the 30 point deduction applied to The Hatters back in the day. Cynical?? Absolutely 👍 |
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Post by divot on Mar 23, 2019 9:35:39 GMT
Puts them right in the relegation zone that and a fully deserved punishment.
It does put them in the shit, especially as they are on a poor run of form too and have 3 really hard games coming up next (WBA, Leeds and Sheff Utd)
They'll be in even bigger shit next year, if they go down and are stuck with loads of players on massive contracts.
It's about time more clubs got done for this. As far as I can see, despite losses, Charlton have played by the rules over the last few years and other clubs should do so too.
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Post by jonkool on Mar 23, 2019 10:58:39 GMT
We need to consider whether the new ruling is helpful or not for CAFC.
Assuming there is no change in ownership for next season it is safe to assume that more high wages such as Igor and Bauer amongst others could be off the wage bill replaced by cheaper but hopefully better replacements courtesy of Steve Gallen’s excellent scouting team.
We would hopefully fall below the £13k per season over 3 successive seasons ceiling without any fuss whilst others would have to reduce their losses/wage bill massively in order to create a more level playing field.
The issue of crowd size and revenue streams will come into sharp focus and the challenge that we would have to overcome.
As Red says getting behind Bows and the boys is the key to our upward progression 👍👍
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Post by kings hill addick on Mar 23, 2019 12:29:52 GMT
It does beg the question just who are the boycotters punishing by staying away.
If the losses are over a three year period that suggests that the starving the club of funds will still be impacting the finances for a couple of years after RD has gone.
If the EFL are really going to enforce these rules then the club could be forced to cut the playing squad even with an owner that is willing to spend his/her own money.
Personally I agree with the punishments but, like Mundell, believe that this is no more than a PR exercise as it is unlikely to have any real impact on Birmingham or any of the clubs in the Championship that have not broken the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 12:48:32 GMT
It does beg the question just who are the boycotters punishing by staying away. If the losses are over a three year period that suggests that the starving the club of funds will still be impacting the finances for a couple of years after RD has gone. If the EFL are really going to enforce these rules then the club could be forced to cut the playing squad even with an owner that is willing to spend his/her own money. Personally I agree with the punishments but, like Mundell, believe that this is no more than a PR exercise as it is unlikely to have any real impact on Birmingham or any of the clubs in the Championship that have not broken the rules. I don't think the absence of Self Important from Sidcup makes a material financial difference to the top or bottom line of the owner. It may well make us appear less well supported for people thinking of an investment though. On an individual level, the pillock from Sidcup is thankfully hurting himself more than anyone else. |
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Post by jonkool on Mar 23, 2019 13:18:31 GMT
It does beg the question just who are the boycotters punishing by staying away. If the losses are over a three year period that suggests that the starving the club of funds will still be impacting the finances for a couple of years after RD has gone. If the EFL are really going to enforce these rules then the club could be forced to cut the playing squad even with an owner that is willing to spend his/her own money. Personally I agree with the punishments but, like Mundell, believe that this is no more than a PR exercise as it is unlikely to have any real impact on Birmingham or any of the clubs in the Championship that have not broken the rules. The sentencing was not determined by the EFL but some other quango style body. I believe that the maximum sentence was a 21(??) points deduction but am I also being ultra cynical in believing that the 9 pointer put Brum close to the relegation places but not realistically close enough to put them in jeopardy? Most of the top half Championship clubs are likely to be found in breach so it will be interesting to see how it pans out for clubs in the top 6 who are above the 3 year ceiling and could miss out on promotion/playoffs. An excellent time to be a sports barrister or legal adviser specialising in sport 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 13:56:57 GMT
It does beg the question just who are the boycotters punishing by staying away. If the losses are over a three year period that suggests that the starving the club of funds will still be impacting the finances for a couple of years after RD has gone. If the EFL are really going to enforce these rules then the club could be forced to cut the playing squad even with an owner that is willing to spend his/her own money. Personally I agree with the punishments but, like Mundell, believe that this is no more than a PR exercise as it is unlikely to have any real impact on Birmingham or any of the clubs in the Championship that have not broken the rules. The sentencing was not determined by the EFL but some other quango style body. I believe that the maximum sentence was a 21(??) points deduction but am I also being ultra cynical in believing that the 9 pointer put Brum close to the relegation places but not realistically close enough to put them in jeopardy? Most of the top half Championship clubs are likely to be found in breach so it will be interesting to see how it pans out for clubs in the top 6 who are above the 3 year ceiling and could miss out on promotion/playoffs. An excellent time to be a sports barrister or legal adviser specialising in sport 😉 Bolton could make the play offs!  |
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Post by wellingaddick on Jan 7, 2020 0:10:06 GMT
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Post by wellingaddick on Apr 4, 2020 18:29:14 GMT
Reading's current expenditure worse than Birmingham's.
Quite a few clubs could go to the wall and soon!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 19:53:34 GMT
If Birmingham go to the wall
I will be out at 8 pm clapping
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Post by jonkool on Apr 4, 2020 21:26:35 GMT
If Birmingham go to the wall I will be out at 8 pm clapping Cheeky but I know what you mean m8 The post CV EFL landscape is going to be unrecognisable to the pre CV world with multi points deductions, winding up orders, clubs dumping high wages and many switching to semi pro status. It’s a classic survival of the fittest scenario  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 8:12:58 GMT
If you take this to a point of pure logic, shouldn't we get promoted for spending f**k all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 10:28:29 GMT
Sustainable league football.
Expanding on my previous joke post. What if a point was deducted for every million spent
Leeds: 90 points / spent 10 million 80
WBA: 82 points / spent 5 million 77
Charlton: 80 points / spent 2 million 78
A lot of thought would have to be put into the January window.
Could it work?
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Post by canterburyaddick on Apr 5, 2020 10:44:07 GMT
If Birmingham go to the wall I will be out at 8 pm clapping Cheeky but I know what you mean m8 The post CV EFL landscape is going to be unrecognisable to the pre CV world with multi points deductions, winding up orders, clubs dumping high wages and many switching to semi pro status. It’s a classic survival of the fittest scenario Or the EFL use the CV problems as a smokescreen to avoid punishments, which I suspect that they will. This CV issue gives ruling bodies the "ethical" grounds not to heap more problems on beleaguered clubs, businesses etc. Let's see what the FCA do eh, JK. |
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Post by jonkool on Apr 5, 2020 13:52:51 GMT
They are as useful as a chocolate tea pot Cants 😉
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 15:58:23 GMT
Just thought I'd post my partners in depth research into Birmingham City's history.
1. In 1874, Birmingham City Council made English compulsory, and introduced a three strikes and out system to deal with those that defied the new directive. Despite the severe penalties for speaking Brum, one Harold Ethan Wood refused to give up his incomprehensible dirlect and marched on the town hall chanting “My family will always speak Brum” He was arrested and made to watch Aston Villa home games until he went mad and was institutionalised.
Nb: In 1965 there was a resurgence of the lost language when Harold’s great grandson Roy formed a band singing original songs in Brum. Because of the fear of persecution from the family connection, Roy devised ever changing disguises including a wizard and father Christmas.
2. Birmingham is second only to London in size and population, but unlike London it is not tourist friendly. Such are the locals fears of outsiders, a multi-million-pound road building program was introduced in the seventies for the soul purpose of confusing incoming tourists. When Spaghetti junction opened in 1975, direction signs were strategically placed to make it impossible to enter the City. Only the invention of the SatNav stopped the perennial problem of motorist driving in ever decreasing circles until dying at the wheesl of their vehicles. By 1980 the problem had reached epidemic proportions, and the City Council was bankrupted through the cost of removing skeleton filled cars from the outer ring road.
Nb: Mobile sandwich seller Luke Chamberlain holds the record as the longest surviving driver. It is estimated that he remained on the same roundabout for 254 days, finally choking to death on a stale cheese and pickle sandwich. He left a wife, two children, three mars bars and a rancid Café Latte.
3. New Street Station was originally named “Birmingham Station” but at the grand opening in 1968 it was discovered that an access road hadn’t been built. The Queen was told that a plague had broken out and she returned to London none the wiser. A roughly made Baco foil crown was fashioned and placed on the head of a ticket collector, in hope that the expectant crowd would be fooled into thinking it was the Queen. Ticket collector Derek Hobson duly cut the ribbon and declared the station open. Everyone cheered and went home happy, though there was some concern about the fact that the queen had sported a full beard that day.
Nb: A new street was eventually built, and the station aptly renamed.
4. Birmingham City’s ground is named after Saint Andrew, the Patron Saint of underachievement.
5. It is rumoured that in 1934 a local Gypsy, angered by City fans peeing up her caravan on match day, broke into the ground and buried a carthorse in the centre circle. Dobbin was later signed on a one-year deal.
6. It is an urban myth that Trevor Francis once played for Birmingham City, as his accurate passing would not have fitted with the system Birmingham played, which was “Most players out of position most of the time”
7. Having just failed a trial with Birmingham City, Paul Henry (Benny from crossroads) hailed a cab, agreeing to share it with Susan Hanson (Miss Diane) Impressed by his good looks and intellect, she talked him into auditioning for Crossroads. All was fine until in episode 12,987 Benny had to kick a beach ball through the doors of an aircraft hanger. Instantly fans saw what could have been. Hatred for the owner erupted, and mass boycotts and protests prevailed for many years.
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Post by Mundell on Apr 6, 2020 16:41:00 GMT
Just thought I'd post my partners in depth research into Birmingham City's history. 1. In 1874, Birmingham City Council made English compulsory, and introduced a three strikes and out system to deal with those that defied the new directive. Despite the severe penalties for speaking Brum, one Harold Ethan Wood refused to give up his incomprehensible dirlect and marched on the town hall chanting “My family will always speak Brum” He was arrested and made to watch Aston Villa home games until he went mad and was institutionalised. Nb: In 1965 there was a resurgence of the lost language when Harold’s great grandson Roy formed a band singing original songs in Brum. Because of the fear of persecution from the family connection, Roy devised ever changing disguises including a wizard and father Christmas. 2. Birmingham is second only to London in size and population, but unlike London it is not tourist friendly. Such are the locals fears of outsiders, a multi-million-pound road building program was introduced in the seventies for the soul purpose of confusing incoming tourists. When Spaghetti junction opened in 1975, direction signs were strategically placed to make it impossible to enter the City. Only the invention of the SatNav stopped the perennial problem of motorist driving in ever decreasing circles until dying at the wheesl of their vehicles. By 1980 the problem had reached epidemic proportions, and the City Council was bankrupted through the cost of removing skeleton filled cars from the outer ring road. Nb: Mobile sandwich seller Luke Chamberlain holds the record as the longest surviving driver. It is estimated that he remained on the same roundabout for 254 days, finally choking to death on a stale cheese and pickle sandwich. He left a wife, two children, three mars bars and a rancid Café Latte. 3. New Street Station was originally named “Birmingham Station” but at the grand opening in 1968 it was discovered that an access road hadn’t been built. The Queen was told that a plague had broken out and she returned to London none the wiser. A roughly made Baco foil crown was fashioned and placed on the head of a ticket collector, in hope that the expectant crowd would be fooled into thinking it was the Queen. Ticket collector Derek Hobson duly cut the ribbon and declared the station open. Everyone cheered and went home happy, though there was some concern about the fact that the queen had sported a full beard that day. Nb: A new street was eventually built, and the station aptly renamed. 4. Birmingham City’s ground is named after Saint Andrew, the Patron Saint of underachievement. 5. It is rumoured that in 1934 a local Gypsy, angered by City fans peeing up her caravan on match day, broke into the ground and buried a carthorse in the centre circle. Dobbin was later signed on a one-year deal. 6. It is an urban myth that Trevor Francis once played for Birmingham City, as his accurate passing would not have fitted with the system Birmingham played, which was “Most players out of position most of the time” 7. Having just failed a trial with Birmingham City, Paul Henry (Benny from crossroads) hailed a cab, agreeing to share it with Susan Hanson (Miss Diane) Impressed by his good looks and intellect, she talked him into auditioning for Crossroads. All was fine until in episode 12,987 Benny had to kick a beach ball through the doors of an aircraft hanger. Instantly fans saw what could have been. Hatred for the owner erupted, and mass boycotts and protests prevailed for many years. 😎 I enjoyed reading that. Very nicely done!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 17:18:21 GMT
He said thank you, and it's all true  |
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Post by hairyhotdog on Apr 6, 2020 18:19:24 GMT
Is that who they named Harold Wood station after...?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 19:35:56 GMT
Is that who they named Harold Wood station after...? No, just a coincidence |
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Post by wellingaddick on Jun 7, 2021 19:43:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 20:11:50 GMT
We used to own our ground too. Now we're tenants. I feel for their fans. Had their heritage sold out from under them, just like us. |
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