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Post by hairyhotdog on Jan 11, 2019 23:05:43 GMT
Had a quick look at the other site and they are getting plenty of mileage out of the “to go or not to go..” question , seems like a lot of the boycotters aren’t even bothered by the current success on the pitch and the general good vibe around the Valley..
Got me wondering what’s the most important thing...
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 12, 2019 1:03:57 GMT
Protesters? Fuck em'!! We are 4th in the league without them not with them and I hope that is the way it stays.
It's like the blind leading the blind over there, just don't give them the oxygen they crave.
They think they are hitting RD in the pocket FFS!! He isn't losing a damn thing.
People don't go to the games = loan signings. It's that simple.
The ideal scenario next season is RD backing LB in the Championship because that will mean the attention seeking whingers are still staying away from the Valley.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 5:07:48 GMT
With all due respect reamsofverse the one member of this forum who gives gives posters on CL far more of 'the oxygen they crave' than anybody else is you. You've just done it again here, partly in large red & blue text. Granted you did not start this particular thread but you have started several others this season, specifically to ridicule CL members because of something they have posted on that forum; intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/23129/time-get-tissues-out-againintothevalley.proboards.com/thread/22882/interesting-post-on-card-lifeintothevalley.proboards.com/thread/18021/why-people-bother-charlton-lifeAs far as I can recall those members of this forum who hold opinions closer to those on CL than the average ITTV member haven't mentioned that forum at all. I cannot remember the last time a member here who supports or sympathises with the views of Rick Everitt actually quoted anything he has said or even referred to him by name (at least since Elfsborg was last on here). Yet RE is mentioned over and over again here by some members here who are constantly seeking to ridicule him. You can't have it both ways. Either ignore them or continue to give them the oxygen they crave. There is no such thing as bad publicity.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jan 12, 2019 6:53:26 GMT
Apologies lardiman if this particular thread has upset you , personally although I don’t post on there I’ve read that particular thread since someone mentioned it on here and I assume the lardiman who’s posted on there is yourself...
The ironic part is it was a lardiman post on there last night that got me wondering about wether people would prefer promotion and continued success under RD (which no doubt is exactly what 100% of fans wanted when RD tenure began) or a sale to potential owners who may or not have enough money to push us on to where we belong...
Hence my question , which I think is a touch more interesting then the same old regurgitations on the takeover thread.. but that’s just my opinion..
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Post by revilo on Jan 12, 2019 8:40:00 GMT
It's a no brainer for me. We'll simply be more appealing to a buyer if we're in the Championship. Also I'm sick of being in League One, not sure how everyone else feels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 9:14:04 GMT
Apologies lardiman if this particular thread has upset you , personally although I don’t post on there I’ve read that particular thread since someone mentioned it on here and I assume the lardiman who’s posted on there is yourself... Indeed that was me. No need to apologise, nothing you have posted has upset me. Personally I don't mind discussing material on CL, I was just observing that Reams had asked you and other members here not to give folks on CL the oxygen they crave, when he himself does that more than any other ITTV member. The question I asked there was not very different to the poll question you have set here, though I did not create a poll.
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Post by lukepiestalker on Jan 12, 2019 9:23:10 GMT
It's a no brainer for me. We'll simply be more appealing to a buyer if we're in the Championship. Also I'm sick of being in League One, not sure how everyone else feels. Of course we'd rather be in the Championship however the feeling is under this owner we'd simply yoyo. There's an intrinsic lack of ambition which is no good for anyone. The question you posed is similarly pointless to the age old debate about would you prefer to stay at The Valley or get moved on to another venue freshly built. Some people are pragmatic others emotional. As for the question of the VOTV salesman, I'd never really thought about him till people started this war of words. He's just another fan to me and the constant division helps nobody in the long run. I think it's quite symptomatic of the times we live in now although the Boleyn and Selhurst days equally divided people. You either get involved or don't. Still have funny memories of passive aggressive Sunday lunches where 'did you go yesterday you fucking scab' was a conversation starter. Definitely been given too much air on here with ironic posts, mainly written by people who have been turfed off CL, it seems. It's interesting that some seem to be in the 'well at least we are still alive camp' I'd be more ambitious than that with my thoughts, not that they mean anything to anyone but me. I'd have thought we would have still been alive if RD had not come along. The spivs were in fire sale mode having run out of dough. Someone would have bought us, just so happens it was a mad Belgian with ideas beyond his capability other than being capable of buying immediately thus scratching the spiv itch. Let's see where are are at 5pm. Hopefully one step closer is something we can all agree on, at least. Thing about football is the only thing you can really control is how many pints you sink to either salve or further elevate your soul at 5pm.
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Post by survivor on Jan 12, 2019 11:10:45 GMT
The poll already says what a forgiving and sensible lot we are on ITTV. Maybe he'll even take in a game or two
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Post by survivor on Jan 12, 2019 11:15:44 GMT
Apologies lardiman if this particular thread has upset you , personally although I don’t post on there I’ve read that particular thread since someone mentioned it on here and I assume the lardiman who’s posted on there is yourself... Indeed that was me. No need to apologise, nothing you have posted has upset me. Personally I don't mind discussing material on CL, I was just observing that Reams had asked you and other members here not to give folks on CL the oxygen they crave, when he himself does that more than any other ITTV member. The question I asked there was not very different to the poll question you have set here, though I did not create a poll. Screw your charts lardi, I'm putting you on ignore as you cannot help yourself just rattling on from your ivory tower and hijacking threads with your boring "let's get depressed about the past" rhetoric. I used to find it funny, but now it just hurts my eyes. I know you will reply but thankfully I won't see it
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Post by jonkool on Jan 12, 2019 12:18:19 GMT
I really relate to Red’s mantra of backing Bows, Jacko and the boys.
It’s simple and concentrates attention on what is st the heart of supporting a football club.
In the digital age too many people appear to be more concerned with their profile particularly on social media/forums.
This has resulted in too many egos believing that they know better than the manager of the team and manager of the business.
Of course in the home of free speech everybody has a right to an opinion and to voice their opinion but equally other alternative opinions should be respected even when you cannot agree with these opinions.
So back to the survey - there appears to be an overwhelming majority, albeit from a small number of responses, who are in Red’s camp in terms of backing the gaffer and the players and moving up the EFL pyramid 👍
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Post by garrynelson on Jan 12, 2019 13:40:54 GMT
The poll is simply asking “would you rather be outside the playoffs in League One or outside the playoffs in the Championship?” That’s a no-brained irregardless of the owner
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Post by jonkool on Jan 12, 2019 13:59:28 GMT
The poll is simply asking “would you rather be outside the playoffs in League One or outside the playoffs in the Championship?” That’s a no-brained irregardless of the owner Yes you are spot on in literal terms m8 However, it is possible to read additional inferences into the options if you (or others) wish 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 14:20:30 GMT
Indeed. This poll is essentially asking do you want success (or progress) under Duchatelet, or no success (no progress) under a new owner.
Unsurprisingly in the current situation - with promotion a real possibility - most of us put success or progress for the team ahead of concerns about who owns the Club.
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Post by willett on Jan 12, 2019 14:28:34 GMT
Indeed that was me. No need to apologise, nothing you have posted has upset me. Personally I don't mind discussing material on CL, I was just observing that Reams had asked you and other members here not to give folks on CL the oxygen they crave, when he himself does that more than any other ITTV member. The question I asked there was not very different to the poll question you have set here, though I did not create a poll. Screw your charts lardi, I'm putting you on ignore as you cannot help yourself just rattling on from your ivory tower and hijacking threads with your boring "let's get depressed about the past" rhetoric. I used to find it funny, but now it just hurts my eyes. I know you will reply but thankfully I won't see it How do you put people on ignore?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 14:54:53 GMT
How do you put people on ignore? Never done it myself but I think it's something like this; Click the name (in red) of the member you wish to ignore. The red name is above their avatar on any post they have made. A new page will appear giving you some details of that member. At the top right hand corner of the new page is a small button with a cog-wheel on it. Click the cog-wheel once and a small drop-down menu appears. The first option on the menu is "block member". if you click "block member" a small window appears offering you four boxes to tick (or not); NOTE: On this image above I have highlighted the text of the options because on my screen the text is in white on a white background. So when the window opens you may not be able to see the text.Tick whichever boxes you wish to select the degree of blocking (or ignoring) that you wish. As far as I know you can click or leave blank any combination of the four. Then click "block member" at the bottom right corner of the small window.
I assume this is how it is done, but I have never completed the process myself. If any other member knows of another (quicker or easier) way to set the forum to ignore other members please let us know.
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Post by baconsandwich on Jan 12, 2019 18:12:11 GMT
I'm a remainder!
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Post by survivor on Jan 12, 2019 18:23:42 GMT
Screw your charts lardi, I'm putting you on ignore as you cannot help yourself just rattling on from your ivory tower and hijacking threads with your boring "let's get depressed about the past" rhetoric. I used to find it funny, but now it just hurts my eyes. I know you will reply but thankfully I won't see it How do you put people on ignore? C'mon Will's, we just started being proper bro and now I feel you wish to ignore me
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 12, 2019 19:08:07 GMT
Westminster has nothing on politics compared to some on here!
That question is totally misleading.
Ask that question and substitute the owner with anything else and the vote will still be virtually unanamous in favour of being in the higher division. Why wouldn’t it be?
I’d rather have Simon Jordan own us if it meant we would get out of this god forsaken division.
It makes the vote completely pointless in my view.
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Post by survivor on Jan 12, 2019 19:32:38 GMT
Westminster has nothing on politics compared to some on here! That question is totally misleading. Ask that question and substitute the owner with anything else and the vote will still be virtually unanamous in favour of being in the higher division. Why wouldn’t it be? I’d rather have Simon Jordan own us if it meant we would get out of this god forsaken division. It makes the vote completely pointless in my view. Not pointless at all...there are many that would prefer the league one option, even if we were in the Prem. Hate is the number one factor and the decider, with martyrdom and false principles running a close second.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 12, 2019 20:21:36 GMT
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Post by revilo on Jan 12, 2019 20:42:24 GMT
Someone has asked the same question on Twitter. Let's see the response...
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jan 12, 2019 22:39:07 GMT
Westminster has nothing on politics compared to some on here! That question is totally misleading. Ask that question and substitute the owner with anything else and the vote will still be virtually unanamous in favour of being in the higher division. Why wouldn’t it be? I’d rather have Simon Jordan own us if it meant we would get out of this god forsaken division. It makes the vote completely pointless in my view. If no one cares who our owner is , they just want success on the pitch , then why is there more posts concerning a proposed takeover than posts concerning the play on the pitch... And why are people boycotting when we are 4th in the league if it doesn’t matter who the owner is..?
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 12, 2019 23:13:01 GMT
Westminster has nothing on politics compared to some on here! That question is totally misleading. Ask that question and substitute the owner with anything else and the vote will still be virtually unanamous in favour of being in the higher division. Why wouldn’t it be? I’d rather have Simon Jordan own us if it meant we would get out of this god forsaken division. It makes the vote completely pointless in my view. If no one cares who our owner is , they just want success on the pitch , then why is there more posts concerning a proposed takeover than posts concerning the play on the pitch... And why are people boycotting when we are 4th in the league if it doesn’t matter who the owner is..? People do care who the owner is but mainly because they believe that a new owner is more likely to see us promoted and Roland is more likely to see us stay in this division. Given a choice most want success on the pitch, which is why attendances are, gradually, growing this season. Only people with a bias towards the result, normally, ask questions where a random reward can be achieved at the expense of another random event. A new owner could get us promoted or relegated. Roland could, also, get us promoted or relegated, but there is absolutely no way to guarantee the outcome based on who owns the club. This is why Politicians argue for hours about the structure of questions, because you can lead people to vote how you want. If you asked me would I accept Roland being in charge for twenty years and us being relegated to the conference, and never coming back, for a 100% guarantee that my cancer would never return I would say yes. Does that mean I want Roland and non-league football? Of course not, but given a choice I’d rather not have cancer again. It’s that bias that the question has, because there isn’t a sane football fan that would normally choose for his team to drop a division. The question is loaded. That is why I believe that it is pointless.
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Post by survivor on Jan 12, 2019 23:48:10 GMT
That's all well and good KHA, but the managerial hate of the few is based on not thinking very clearly, because hate hides all logic. Your reply has logic because you do not hate RD, so the original question stands good if you take into account the mindsets of the haters.
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Post by Major on Jan 13, 2019 3:22:32 GMT
That's all well and good KHA, but the managerial hate of the few is based on not thinking very clearly, because hate hides all logic. Your reply has logic because you do not hate RD, so the original question stands good if you take into account the mindsets of the haters. I concur. I assumed the poll was to highlight that hate is pointless.
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Post by newstreethill on Jan 13, 2019 8:56:05 GMT
The poll already says what a forgiving and sensible lot we are on ITTV. Maybe he'll even take in a game or two Or maybe he won’t. The only reason he’s allowing the club to be run properly is because he’s selling it, and he’s made agreements with (potential) new owners. He doesn’t give a crap about Charlton, you, me or any other Charlton fans. Forelock tugging out!
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Post by squareball on Jan 13, 2019 9:48:00 GMT
The poll already says what a forgiving and sensible lot we are on ITTV. Maybe he'll even take in a game or two Or maybe he won’t. The only reason he’s allowing the club to be run properly is because he’s selling it, and he’s made agreements with (potential) new owners. He doesn’t give a crap about Charlton, you, me or any other Charlton fans. Forelock tugging out! Just like previous owners and future ones indeed...you only imagine they care but they don’t. They care for money. A promotion isn’t a sign of caring no more than a relegation is a sign of a lack of caring.
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Post by lukepiestalker on Jan 13, 2019 9:49:32 GMT
That's all well and good KHA, but the managerial hate of the few is based on not thinking very clearly, because hate hides all logic. Your reply has logic because you do not hate RD, so the original question stands good if you take into account the mindsets of the haters. There are no haters, just fans of CAFC who disagree with you. If you are talking about Lee, I can see why people were / are sceptical as he's at the beginning of a new career even he wasn't sure he'd have the chops for. Given a bit of leeway for the lack of experience and we are where we are, which is 8-10 places above where I'd have thought given the messy closed season. I have far more confidence in the team I see now than the team I saw end of last season. Some say it could have been a proper rout yesterday. 4th with these injuries. Can't wait for the rest of the season which could well see us in a different league this year - brilliant.
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Post by squareball on Jan 13, 2019 11:20:25 GMT
There are some serious haters out there. Haven't you noticed over the years how low they were prepared to go? A different opinion doesn't drive one to do that. No airbrushing.
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Post by survivor on Jan 13, 2019 12:00:23 GMT
The poll already says what a forgiving and sensible lot we are on ITTV. Maybe he'll even take in a game or two Or maybe he won’t. The only reason he’s allowing the club to be run properly is because he’s selling it, and he’s made agreements with (potential) new owners. He doesn’t give a crap about Charlton, you, me or any other Charlton fans. Forelock tugging out! So you are absolutely sure he doesn't like me? Is that a guess or a wish? Whatever, you're wrong, he really does like me.
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