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Post by oldred on Jan 7, 2019 21:39:31 GMT
Why do so many clubs put out weakened teams ,and still think that they can win a cup game .
Full credit to these lower league teams for their victories, but the big clubs that they beat , often give them a massive helping hand .
I’d be fuming if I was a Liverpool fan tonight , they should be going flat out to do the double .
To be fair , there’s no comparison with what Bowyer did with our cup game .
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Post by AndyAddick on Jan 7, 2019 21:40:37 GMT
In short MONEY
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Post by revilo on Jan 7, 2019 21:48:05 GMT
Liverpool have gone from being undefeated to losing 2 in a row  |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jan 7, 2019 21:54:16 GMT
Liverpool have gone from being undefeated to losing 2 in a row 9 changes tonight from the city game |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 21:59:11 GMT
Why do so many clubs put out weakened teams ,and still think that they can win a cup game . Full credit to these lower league teams for their victories, but the big clubs that they beat , often give them a massive helping hand . I’d be fuming if I was a Liverpool fan tonight , they should be going flat out to do the double . To be fair , there’s no comparison with what Bowyer did with our cup game . I don't see that there is no comparison with what Bowyer did with our Cup game. Charlton had a bigger prize to aim for than the FA Cup; promotion to the Championship. Liverpool had a bigger prize to aim for than the FA Cup; winning the Premier League. For both Clubs, long Cup runs could endanger their chances of winning that bigger prize. Lee Bowyer and Jurgen Klopp both deliberately fielded weakened teams, and both were defeated by another team from their own division. That's three comparisons right there. |
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jan 7, 2019 22:09:19 GMT
Wolves Full Strength at Home 5/2
Liverpool 9 changes , 3 kids and Away 6/4
It’s been a happy evening here that’s for sure.... 🤑
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jan 7, 2019 22:10:59 GMT
And Portsmouth got a very winnable game in the next round... 👍🏽
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Post by oldred on Jan 7, 2019 22:34:57 GMT
Why do so many clubs put out weakened teams ,and still think that they can win a cup game . Full credit to these lower league teams for their victories, but the big clubs that they beat , often give them a massive helping hand . I’d be fuming if I was a Liverpool fan tonight , they should be going flat out to do the double . To be fair , there’s no comparison with what Bowyer did with our cup game . I don't see that there is no comparison with what Bowyer did with our Cup game. Charlton had a bigger prize to aim for than the FA Cup; promotion to the Championship. Liverpool had a bigger prize to aim for than the FA Cup; winning the Premier League. For both Clubs, long Cup runs could endanger their chances of winning that bigger prize. Lee Bowyer and Jurgen Klopp both deliberately fielded weakened teams, and both were defeated by another team from their own division. That's three comparisons right there. If that’s your opinion lardi that’s fine . For me Klopp wasn’t struggling with an injury hit squad , and I would’ve thought, had the players and the ambition, to try to win both the league and the cup ,as others have before him . Bowyer was in a competition that he had zero chance of winning , and didn’t need the distraction and injury risks of playing extra games . |
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Post by oldred on Jan 7, 2019 23:34:50 GMT
Apologies if I never made my point very clear . My ‘ no comparison ‘ comment was more to do with the managers choices
Bowyer had a small squad , already hit by injuries , and committed to his priority of winning promotion. He received criticism for his decision but I understood it
Does that mean that I wouldn’t love a cup run ? Certainly not , I would love it , as I have in the past when we got past the first round or two .
When the circumstances are right ,I look forward to it again ., but right now with a small squad and other priorities , this is not the time .
Jurgen Klopp has a huge budget and a big playing squad .Putting out a weak team , for me disrespected the competition and the Livrpool fans that travelled to the game .
They had as much chance as any team in that competition to win it .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 5:48:43 GMT
I don't see that there is no comparison with what Bowyer did with our Cup game. Charlton had a bigger prize to aim for than the FA Cup; promotion to the Championship. Liverpool had a bigger prize to aim for than the FA Cup; winning the Premier League. For both Clubs, long Cup runs could endanger their chances of winning that bigger prize. Lee Bowyer and Jurgen Klopp both deliberately fielded weakened teams, and both were defeated by another team from their own division. That's three comparisons right there. If that’s your opinion lardi that’s fine . For me Klopp wasn’t struggling with an injury hit squad , and I would’ve thought, had the players and the ambition, to try to win both the league and the cup ,as others have before him . Bowyer was in a competition that he had zero chance of winning , and didn’t need the distraction and injury risks of playing extra games . What I posted was not my opinion, it was a comparison based on what has happened. At this time both the Liverpool and Charlton managers have priority targets this season, and they were both willing to sacrifice an FA Cup run in order to give them the best possible chance of achieving their targets. That is the reason why both managers would field weakened teams in the FA Cup. Liverpool might have won the FA Cup if Klopp fielded their strongest XI in every round. But the odds on them winning the FA Cup were still much longer than the odds of them winning the Premier League. Charlton might have had a money-spinning FA Cup run (got a big glamour tie in the 3rd round, or possibly stayed in until the quarter-finals and knocked out a team or two from higher divisions) if Bowyer fielded our strongest XI in every round. But the odds of that were still much longer than the odds of Charlton gaining promotion back to the Championship. So both managers chose not to prioritise the FA Cup. I did not offer an opinion as to whether that decision was right or wrong. I just pointed out the comparisons.
Granted the details of the reasons behind each manager's decision are different; Bowyer is struggling with injuries to his squad and the hopes of Charlton supporters to get out of the 3rd tier. Klopp is struggling to compete in two of the toughest competitions in the football world; the Premier League and the Champion's League, plus weight of expectation from Liverpool fans who want to see their team crowned Champions of England for the first time in 29 years. But the result was the same. Both managers chose not to prioritise progress in the FA Cup and because of their team selections Charlton and Liverpool were both knocked out of the competition at a relatively early stage. From the point of view of some lower league teams and non-league teams, Lee Bowyer has a huge budget and a big playing squad. Those things are all relative. |
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Post by essexaddick on Jan 9, 2019 15:55:10 GMT
Why do so many clubs put out weakened teams ,and still think that they can win a cup game . Full credit to these lower league teams for their victories, but the big clubs that they beat , often give them a massive helping hand . I’d be fuming if I was a Liverpool fan tonight , they should be going flat out to do the double . To be fair , there’s no comparison with what Bowyer did with our cup game . I don't see that there is no comparison with what Bowyer did with our Cup game. Charlton had a bigger prize to aim for than the FA Cup; promotion to the Championship. Liverpool had a bigger prize to aim for than the FA Cup; winning the Premier League. For both Clubs, long Cup runs could endanger their chances of winning that bigger prize. Lee Bowyer and Jurgen Klopp both deliberately fielded weakened teams, and both were defeated by another team from their own division. That's three comparisons right there. Whatever happened to the days when clubs tried to win both or three if you include the League Cup. Also with smaller squads and playing on worse pitches. Load of snowflakes. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 9, 2019 21:39:34 GMT
Pep Guardiola certainly believes in taking cup competitions seriously. Fielded a strong team tonight against poor old Burton Albion. At 7-0 Leroy Sane was withdrawn to be replaced by Bernardo Silva.
Got to feel sorry for Burton’s players and their fans. Fantastic result at Middlesbrough to get to the semi-final, but tonight they’ve obviously found themselves completely outclassed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 21:42:14 GMT
Pep Guardiola certainly believes in taking cup competitions seriously. Fielded a strong team tonight against poor old Burton Albion. At 7-0 Leroy Sane was withdrawn to be replaced by Bernardo Silva. Got to feel sorry for Burton’s players and their fans. Fantastic result at Middlesbrough to get to the semi-final, but tonight they’ve obviously found themselves completely outclassed. 9 -0 FT |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 9, 2019 21:48:46 GMT
Pep Guardiola certainly believes in taking cup competitions seriously. Fielded a strong team tonight against poor old Burton Albion. At 7-0 Leroy Sane was withdrawn to be replaced by Bernardo Silva. Got to feel sorry for Burton’s players and their fans. Fantastic result at Middlesbrough to get to the semi-final, but tonight they’ve obviously found themselves completely outclassed. 9 -0 FT .... and I’ll bet Pep Guardiola plays a decent side in the second leg, showing Burton’s players and their fans, who will already have bought tickets, the respect they deserve. He’s a class act in my view. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 16, 2019 22:15:23 GMT
.... and I’ll bet Pep Guardiola plays a decent side in the second leg, showing Burton’s players and their fans, who will already have bought tickets, the respect they deserve. He’s a class act in my view. It does make it easier when he has something like 20 of the best 50 players in the League in his squad. Every one of his Premier League 25 squad are first team players, in real terms. |
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