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Post by hairyhotdog on Dec 3, 2018 22:05:09 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 3, 2018 22:25:00 GMT
Whilst one shouldn't rely too much on individual valuations on transfermarkt, it's fair to say that the overall squad valuation is a good proxy for a club as well as an indicator re. the wage bill. Any individual player rated at over £1M might well add significant quality to our side - players in that range would be Bielik at £1.8M and Ward, Cullen and Forster-Caskey all at £900K.
Their valuation system takes account of actual transfers as well as capturing opta performance data and applying an algoritm to move valuations up and down. Not perfect but a decent proxy. We have the second highest squad valuation in League One but we are carrying certain high value players who make a low contribution. For sure it might be the same elsewhere, but if we want CAFC to be better value for the budgets then we need the managment to develop the talent as well as be able to offload those not helping.
Bring in three players rated at around £700K - £1.3M and we will be cooking on gas!
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 3, 2018 22:53:52 GMT
A made up website, total gash.
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Post by somerton on Dec 4, 2018 9:06:57 GMT
The only thing we can hope for from the transfer window is that Roland does not sell any of the best players and so weakens the squad. i do not believe he will increase the playing budget for the rest of the season.
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Post by jonkool on Dec 4, 2018 13:37:07 GMT
The only thing we can hope for from the transfer window is that Roland does not sell any of the best players and so weakens the squad. i do not believe he will increase the playing budget for the rest of the season. You maybe right m8. Then again he may think again of the possibility of getting a higher offer for the club if we managed promotion in May. He could allow Bows to bring in a loan signing (left back) or two near to the end of the window as it greatly reduces the number of weeks wages paid out. Only time will tell! Ps do players still get paid weekly or do they now receive monthly paid salaries? Just wondering .....
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Post by paperboy on Dec 4, 2018 20:00:49 GMT
The only thing we can hope for from the transfer window is that Roland does not sell any of the best players and so weakens the squad. i do not believe he will increase the playing budget for the rest of the season. Spot on Somerton. With the January transfer window fast approaching and several players still not signing new contracts, those players can listen to offers from other clubs. Players like Aribo and Fosu will be prime targets and I fear that they will be sold. Unfortunately RD will not reinvest the money in new players, we will have to settle for loans, if we are lucky. Like Mike Ashley at Newcastle, RD wants rid of the club, so any promise of a January transfer budget are IMO a smokescreen. None of us like the situation that we are in, which is out of our control. What we can control though is to carry on supporting the team, it's all that matters really.
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Post by 1978sussex on Dec 7, 2018 23:23:49 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 8, 2018 0:38:47 GMT
The only thing we can hope for from the transfer window is that Roland does not sell any of the best players and so weakens the squad. i do not believe he will increase the playing budget for the rest of the season. Spot on Somerton. With the January transfer window fast approaching and several players still not signing new contracts, those players can listen to offers from other clubs. Players like Aribo and Fosu will be prime targets and I fear that they will be sold. Unfortunately RD will not reinvest the money in new players, we will have to settle for loans, if we are lucky. Like Mike Ashley at Newcastle, RD wants rid of the club, so any promise of a January transfer budget are IMO a smokescreen. None of us like the situation that we are in, which is out of our control. What we can control though is to carry on supporting the team, it's all that matters really. The way Fosu is playing no club with a better outlook than Charlton will come in for him! Let us remember that players and agents look to engineer moves at the appropriate time so as to maximise career earnings. The club's job is to ride the waves as talent comes and goes, to nurture talent for better results, and bigger fees! And to fill the gaps or even actively replace under performers. We are never in control of anything at CAFC but, as you say, we can simply go along, cheer on the lads and enjoy the games.
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Post by paperboy on Dec 11, 2018 14:33:43 GMT
Spot on Somerton. With the January transfer window fast approaching and several players still not signing new contracts, those players can listen to offers from other clubs. Players like Aribo and Fosu will be prime targets and I fear that they will be sold. Unfortunately RD will not reinvest the money in new players, we will have to settle for loans, if we are lucky. Like Mike Ashley at Newcastle, RD wants rid of the club, so any promise of a January transfer budget are IMO a smokescreen. None of us like the situation that we are in, which is out of our control. What we can control though is to carry on supporting the team, it's all that matters really. The way Fosu is playing no club with a better outlook than Charlton will come in for him! Let us remember that players and agents look to engineer moves at the appropriate time so as to maximise career earnings. The club's job is to ride the waves as talent comes and goes, to nurture talent for better results, and bigger fees! And to fill the gaps or even actively replace under performers. We are never in control of anything at CAFC but, as you say, we can simply go along, cheer on the lads and enjoy the games. If Fosu doesn't sign a new contract and has an upturn in form, then I can see another club being interested in a potential free agent at the end of the season, perhaps even a Championship side. And with the January transfer window due to open in a couple of weeks time, who knows if his form might return at the same time, so that his agent can get busy, touting him around the clubs. As for filling the gaps, the club IMO haven't replaced Gomez, Lookman or Konsa and never will do so. If we actively replace under performers, what is Ajose still doing at the club. Just my opinions SR.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 11, 2018 14:56:49 GMT
Fosu has had his head turned already the way he is playing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 9:58:24 GMT
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 13, 2018 10:28:07 GMT
The way Fosu is playing no club with a better outlook than Charlton will come in for him! Let us remember that players and agents look to engineer moves at the appropriate time so as to maximise career earnings. The club's job is to ride the waves as talent comes and goes, to nurture talent for better results, and bigger fees! And to fill the gaps or even actively replace under performers. We are never in control of anything at CAFC but, as you say, we can simply go along, cheer on the lads and enjoy the games. If Fosu doesn't sign a new contract and has an upturn in form, then I can see another club being interested in a potential free agent at the end of the season, perhaps even a Championship side. And with the January transfer window due to open in a couple of weeks time, who knows if his form might return at the same time, so that his agent can get busy, touting him around the clubs. As for filling the gaps, the club IMO haven't replaced Gomez, Lookman or Konsa and never will do so. If we actively replace under performers, what is Ajose still doing at the club. Just my opinions SR. It’s all in the mind for Fosu , no one will buy him now because very simple he not playing well enough or holding down a first team spot , the only direction he would go now would be Oxford .. Think the many injuries and set backs concerning his hamstrings I think it’s now a mind game with him he holding back worried worried about injuring himself again
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Post by paperboy on Dec 13, 2018 10:53:01 GMT
Not good news at all, but not surprising either. The club have offered an improved deal, but I think his mind is made up already if the Independent news release is true.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 11:26:12 GMT
How would you feel if you were given a contract offer then that was withdrawn and replaced with another one half the size. Aribo has still got a bit to learn but he should not be playing in the third division.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Dec 13, 2018 13:23:36 GMT
If he is going to go, the Bundesliga is the right move. Much more chance of getting regular football and clubs that seem to want to nurture young talent far more than the Prem that just throws more and more money at foreign players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:24:17 GMT
If he is going to go, the Bundesliga is the right move. Much more chance of getting regular football and clubs that seem to want to nurture young talent far more than the Prem that just throws more and more money at foreign players. Spot on, Lookman had a good time there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:59:23 GMT
If he is going to go, the Bundesliga is the right move. Much more chance of getting regular football and clubs that seem to want to nurture young talent far more than the Prem that just throws more and more money at foreign players. He should go to Chelsea and then they can loan him out to the Bundesliga - cushty !
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Post by dartford36 on Dec 13, 2018 15:11:31 GMT
If he is going to go, the Bundesliga is the right move. Much more chance of getting regular football and clubs that seem to want to nurture young talent far more than the Prem that just throws more and more money at foreign players. I don’t disagree with this but perhaps an alternative would be to do what Ezra Konsa did and go to an ambitious Championship club, continue to learn his trade in a higher division and then attract interest from EPL at a later time in his career. Too many of our promising young players have their ambitions influenced by the megabucks of the Premier League only to disappear into relative obscurity. Lookman is a good example, did well on loan in Germany but trapped at Everton not progressing as maybe he should. I reckon only Gomez has done well since he left The Valley - Jordan Cousins certainly did not beneft by going to QPR although he did suffer injuries that perhaps hampered his development there. Pope has made a name for himself but he’s not really a product of the Academy. Wherever Aribo goes I hope his talent isn’t wasted.
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Post by somerton on Dec 13, 2018 15:18:14 GMT
I saw Konsa last Saturday playing, and going to Brentford has not improved him. He was one of their poorer players on the day i felt. Germany a much better choice.
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Post by dartford36 on Dec 13, 2018 16:37:35 GMT
I saw Konsa last Saturday playing, and going to Brentford has not improved him. He was one of their poorer players on the day i felt. Germany a much better choice. Very interesting. Arsenal were recently reported to be considering making a £15M bid for him in January. Based on what you saw do you think they’d be wasting their money?
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Post by aaronaldo on Dec 13, 2018 17:58:15 GMT
If he is going to go, the Bundesliga is the right move. Much more chance of getting regular football and clubs that seem to want to nurture young talent far more than the Prem that just throws more and more money at foreign players. He should go to Chelsea and then they can loan him out to the Bundesliga - cushty ! Not as easily now with the new rules coming in...
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Post by hairyhotdog on Dec 13, 2018 17:58:57 GMT
Hopefully we can get one to two loan signings in at the start of the window , but knowing us it’ll be the backend...! Wonder why that is..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 8:41:26 GMT
Hopefully we can get one to two loan signings in at the start of the window , but knowing us it’ll be the backend...! Wonder why that is.. Because we are unatractive, playing in front of small crowds and in the midst of a corporate sale ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 8:51:56 GMT
I saw Konsa last Saturday playing, and going to Brentford has not improved him. He was one of their poorer players on the day i felt. Germany a much better choice. Very interesting. Arsenal were recently reported to be considering making a £15M bid for him in January. Based on what you saw do you think they’d be wasting their money? Don’t worry, it’s customary for our fans to think our players are shit!! Konsa and Brentford were doing great until their manager left, since then, they haven’t become bad players overnight, it’s just it take a bit to adapt to a new style of play...
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Post by somerton on Dec 14, 2018 9:40:15 GMT
Is Konsa worth £15 million, on that performance no.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 14, 2018 9:51:13 GMT
Very interesting. Arsenal were recently reported to be considering making a £15M bid for him in January. Based on what you saw do you think they’d be wasting their money? Don’t worry, it’s customary for our fans to think our players are shit!! Konsa and Brentford were doing great until their manager left, since then, they haven’t become bad players overnight, it’s just it take a bit to adapt to a new style of play... Defenders are there to defend no matter what the style of play is. Konsa is never a PL player. Mid to lower Championship at best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 9:53:48 GMT
11 players in a team though and all have to do their job... Nick Pope wasn’t premiership quality either according to many...
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Post by jonkool on Dec 14, 2018 14:15:13 GMT
With paper talk that Aribo will leave in the summer as a free agent can thisevwjo know confirm whether at his age we would receive any compensation?
I am far from sure whether there is any and if there isn’t it highlights the post Bosman probs for EFL clubs. Easy to say that RD has screwed up but the players agent would have been advising his client not to sign a new contract last summer.
Can’t get to pi55ed off though as what’s good for the goose is good forvthe gander - we got Lyle on the same basis 😉
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 14:25:02 GMT
With paper talk that Aribo will leave in the summer as a free agent can thisevwjo know confirm whether at his age we would receive any compensation? I am far from sure whether there is any and if there isn’t it highlights the post Bosman probs for EFL clubs. Easy to say that RD has screwed up but the players agent would have been advising his client not to sign a new contract last summer. Can’t get to pi55ed off though as what’s good for the goose is good forvthe gander - we got Lyle on the same basis 😉 Aribo was given a new contract offer but a while later it was halved. So you could say it is RDs fault. From Joe Aribo's point of view it makes sense not signing a new contract and waiting to see what is out there. If it is a Bundesliga team or a Championship team like Birmingham good luck to him if he moves on. It will have a detrimental affect on our promotion chances, but you can't blame him.
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 14, 2018 14:39:25 GMT
Hopefully we can get one to two loan signings in at the start of the window , but knowing us it’ll be the backend...! Wonder why that is.. Last August it was because Bow and Gallen were chasing real quality and had to wait for the loan price to come down as well as the possibility our targets went to the Championship. Obviously we all hope Page and Pratley are back asap, and that the club can land targets early in January. No idea who we are playing but we need to keep the wins going so as to stay top six.
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