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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 5, 2018 22:32:54 GMT
I see Everitt has popped up again, this time in the Sun where today's headline was:
We’re Pig Sick
Addicks fans aren’t rolling up
Quote from Rick Everitt
“Fans are just too fatigued at this stage and they just want this bloke gone. Most people have concluded that Duchatelet is mad”
Now as you all know I didn't really enjoy the game or the performance on Saturday but the fact is I made the 460 mile, six hour round trip to get behind the boys and that I did. Don't get me wrong I am sure there were others there on the day who travel further and far more frequently than I do but that's not my point, what is, is Everitt coming out with comments like fans are just 'too fatigued' to attend when clearly the majority he is talking about live locally to the Valley!!
He looked a bit stressed on Saturday did Rick, I stood for 10 minutes eating my fish and chips opposite where he stands and Votv sales were hardly going through the roof!! Hard to work out who's lost the most customers, him or Duchatelet.
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Post by pulled off at half time on Nov 5, 2018 23:28:25 GMT
Can’t stand the way Everitt thinks he has to be the mouthpiece of everything Charlton related , he certainly doesn’t speak or represent me Think the bloke has a real Boner for Roland the way he obsesses about him , maybe in a perfect world they both could sod off
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 23:41:30 GMT
Everitt is saying Charlton fans are too fatigued with Duchatelet (as in fed up with him) rather than they are too physically tired (as in lazy) to come to the Valley.
That is so obvious it can only be misunderstood deliberately by people who enjoy trying to discredit RE whatever he says.
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Post by rufus05 on Nov 6, 2018 2:19:05 GMT
You travelled how far to get behind the boys. Really, you had it as a nailed on dead cert away victory. You can’t have it both ways you claim to be the only positive forum seeking all and any views, then promptly ban anyone who has a view you disagree with, then take down any thread that doesn’t suit your agenda. If you want an open discussion about all things Charlton then accepting others may have a different perspective would be a good start,at least this time we have done away with the name calling. We can’t all agree about everything but we can all agree Mr Duchalet has been an absolute disaster for our football club.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 6:31:43 GMT
Not just Everitt is it. The 2 lads Tom Wallin and Lewis Catt from the Charlton Live Podcast are just as vocal here, if not more!!
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Post by bexleyboy on Nov 6, 2018 6:37:14 GMT
Sales are down expect more false stories from the Daily Mail and Dick Everitt then ....
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 6, 2018 9:51:57 GMT
You travelled how far to get behind the boys. Really, you had it as a nailed on dead cert away victory. You can’t have it both ways you claim to be the only positive forum seeking all and any views, then promptly ban anyone who has a view you disagree with, then take down any thread that doesn’t suit your agenda. If you want an open discussion about all things Charlton then accepting others may have a different perspective would be a good start,at least this time we have done away with the name calling. We can’t all agree about everything but we can all agree Mr Duchalet has been an absolute disaster for our football club. What is having it down as a cert away victory have to do with anything mush? Haven't you ever had a football bet and it's gone down? Get over it dont let it torment you. As for this forum I'll run it as I see fit. There are certain people I am not prepared to give my free time to so narurally I don't want them on here.
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 6, 2018 10:39:04 GMT
Everitt is saying Charlton fans are too fatigued with Duchatelet (as in fed up with him) rather than they are too physically tired (as in lazy) to come to the Valley. That is so obvious it can only be misunderstood deliberately by people who enjoy trying to discredit RE whatever he says. What's your point? We're all fatigued with Duchatelet, I would have thought it's even more reason to have a protest.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 10:59:17 GMT
Not just Everitt is it. The 2 lads Tom Wallin and Lewis Catt from the Charlton Live Podcast are just as vocal here, if not more!! Where is the 'studio' for Charlton Live ?
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 6, 2018 11:10:26 GMT
A couple of observations, and no axe to grind either way.
The Voice came out on 20th October so Saturday would have been the third game it was being sold so sales would be less, presumably.
As far as fatigue goes, this was the third home game in succession that I've missed (and I have a season ticket) and it has been over thirty years since that happened but it is not because of RD directly. The football is poor, the results are poor and my Dad (who I go with) is away. So I am more than happy to avoid the journey and the cold weather and watch it on my TV at home. The nest step in this would be to not buy a season ticket and then I may never go again!
If there is any other factor that is 'driving me away' from attending games it is all the sniping that is going on between fans. I'm not an apologist for RD but, frankly, I'm yet to be convinced that he is much worse than any of our other owners. I've heard all the reasons as to why CARD and the other protesters, and their fan boys, believe that he is so bad, but I'm just not sold, personally.
What I am convinced about though is that if we, as fans, don't stop making it personal and keep digging others out, when RD does go it won't make the slightest difference. The drive, that is now being denied, to stop fans from buying season tickets and then boycotting, entirely, has probably taken more off the gate than the owner or the league position. Supporting Charlton has always been about being part of a 'community'. I'm not sure that our fan base is any different to others, but having the fans fight among themselves themselves will turn more away than an owner that has failed to buy success.
It's just all so depressing!
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 6, 2018 11:48:37 GMT
Looking through a "protest lens", their activities show signs of extraordinary fatigue given just a couple of hundred showed at the last one... And that was the first protest in 18 months.
Thus we can understand the Everitt perspective and delve further by speculating that protests organisers struggle because the decline has stopped. That's to say attendances have stabilised at a lower level than the Championship years and results are erratic but hold promise.
If there is no takeover then what's the plan? Support the lads and discuss how we might improve is one response. Another is to walk away. But protest requires statements and events to react against such as we had with Fraeye and Meire back in 2015/16.
A win tonight doesn't solve everything but it does position us for the play-offs. And this in turn makes one question Everitt's timing - Why on earth come out with these statements when we are still on a path to being competitive.
No need to repeat the post match thread from the weekend but we ain't a top four side for various reasons, not least a lack of consistency. But is that a basis for protest? And that's a genuine not a rhetorical question.
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 6, 2018 12:04:57 GMT
Looking through a "protest lens", their activities show signs of extraordinary fatigue given just a couple of hundred showed at the last one... And that was the first protest in 18 months. Thus we can understand the Everitt perspective and delve further by speculating that protests organisers struggle because the decline has stopped. That's to say attendances have stabilised at a lower level than the Championship years and results are erratic but hold promise. If there is no takeover then what's the plan? Support the lads and discuss how we might improve is one response. Another is to walk away. But protest requires statements and events to react against such as we had with Fraeye and Meire back in 2015/16. A win tonight doesn't solve everything but it does position us for the play-offs. And this in turn makes one question Everitt's timing - Why on earth come out with these statements when we are still on a path to being competitive. No need to repeat the post match thread from the weekend but we ain't a top four side for various reasons, not least a lack of consistency. But is that a basis for protest? And that's a genuine not a rhetorical question. I don't think it is. If all fans protested when they are not where they want to be in the league 90% of them would be doing so. We have spent six of the last ten seasons in this division, and one of them in the division above getting relegated. We have no God given right to be in the top six. In fact I would go as far as to say that with so many fans deliberately deciding to starve the club of money we have even less right to demand that 'someone' pays for the players to make us successful. I know that many will say that even with 25,000 at The Valley every game RD wouldn't invest the money but that's not the point. The point is that if us fans refuse to put our money (and support) behind the team we lose the right to complain if success doesn't follow. That said, I'm not sure that logic is the cornerstone of these type of decisions.
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Post by squareball on Nov 6, 2018 12:06:11 GMT
A couple of observations, and no axe to grind either way. The Voice came out on 20th October so Saturday would have been the third game it was being sold so sales would be less, presumably. As far as fatigue goes, this was the third home game in succession that I've missed (and I have a season ticket) and it has been over thirty years since that happened but it is not because of RD directly. The football is poor, the results are poor and my Dad (who I go with) is away. So I am more than happy to avoid the journey and the cold weather and watch it on my TV at home. The nest step in this would be to not buy a season ticket and then I may never go again! If there is any other factor that is 'driving me away' from attending games it is all the sniping that is going on between fans. I'm not an apologist for RD but, frankly, I'm yet to be convinced that he is much worse than any of our other owners. I've heard all the reasons as to why CARD and the other protesters, and their fan boys, believe that he is so bad, but I'm just not sold, personally. What I am convinced about though is that if we, as fans, don't stop making it personal and keep digging others out, when RD does go it won't make the slightest difference. The drive, that is now being denied, to stop fans from buying season tickets and then boycotting, entirely, has probably taken more off the gate than the owner or the league position. Supporting Charlton has always been about being part of a 'community'. I'm not sure that our fan base is any different to others, but having the fans fight among themselves themselves will turn more away than an owner that has failed to buy success. It's just all so depressing! I’ve missed the last few games too. The people who l go with were away so l just couldn’t be bothered. They’ve been away before but l still went. Now l don’t. I’m fatigued with it all. Perhaps Everitt is right in one way. It’s just been too much of the same crap. Even though there has hardly been any protests it feels as though there has been and it’s never stopped in a sense. It’s now an online protest fought between fans on either side of the fence. Those fans that aren’t too bothered about the pathetic drama of it all are now fatigued. It’s like the dying embers of a fire and occasional voices are raised by the usual protagonists to reignite a flame. It isn’t happening so everyone suffers. Let us wait for the sale and we can move on.....possibly.
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 6, 2018 12:11:35 GMT
I agree with almost everything in kings hill addick's post. I've only been once this season and pretty much for the same reasons as him. One reads fans attacking the club - the latest example in The Sun this morning - and it all feeds the 'why bother' attitude. I understand that is what the politicised wing of our fan base wants and it's the reason they do it, so to an extent I am 'playing into their hands'. But KHA is right. There comes a point when it really is less stressful simply to stay at home and follow the team's fortunes via websites such as this.
I'm not blaming anyone, either a disinterested owner or self-important fans with a sense of entitlement - although you do sometimes think they deserve each other. It's just the way it is with our club at the moment. No fun, as Iggy Pop said.
That said, if we win tonight we will be in a play-off place and that might give us all a lift.
As true as this statement is with the availability (and ease) of getting to watch the games in HD on a tele it does make the case for not going at all. At £5 a time it's less than the petrol I would use to drive to The Valley, not to mention the c. £500 a year on the season ticket. It also means that I save myself four hours based on driving up, parking, walking to and from the ground and I am home befofe 5pm after a game. Never mind away games and midweek games. The combination of iFollow and the boycott may well make The Valley too big for us on a permanent basis.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Nov 6, 2018 13:43:54 GMT
I agree with almost everything in kings hill addick's post. I've only been once this season and pretty much for the same reasons as him. One reads fans attacking the club - the latest example in The Sun this morning - and it all feeds the 'why bother' attitude. I understand that is what the politicised wing of our fan base wants and it's the reason they do it, so to an extent I am 'playing into their hands'. But KHA is right. There comes a point when it really is less stressful simply to stay at home and follow the team's fortunes via websites such as this.
I'm not blaming anyone, either a disinterested owner or self-important fans with a sense of entitlement - although you do sometimes think they deserve each other. It's just the way it is with our club at the moment. No fun, as Iggy Pop said.
That said, if we win tonight we will be in a play-off place and that might give us all a lift.
As true as this statement is with the availability (and ease) of getting to watch the games in HD on a tele it does make the case for not going at all. At £5 a time it's less than the petrol I would use to drive to The Valley, not to mention the c. £500 a year on the season ticket. It also means that I save myself four hours based on driving up, parking, walking to and from the ground and I am home befofe 5pm after a game. Never mind away games and midweek games. The combination of iFollow and the boycott may well make The Valley too big for us on a permanent basis. I agree with much of what you say KHA, but there is still nothing like live performance for me, whether it be sport or music. So I will continue to travel up to the Valley and go to a couple of away games each season. We would all love an owner like the sadly deceased Leicester owner, but it happens very infrequently.
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Post by essexaddick on Nov 6, 2018 15:37:41 GMT
As I said on another thread, it is not just about results. The product served up is dire week after week and without any signs of it improving fans will gradually drift away. There are plenty of other distractions on a Saturday and people will eventually just prefer to do something else and save their hard earned.
KHA states "The point is that if us fans refuse to put our money (and support) behind the team we lose the right to complain if success doesn't follow."
A fair point on the face of it. But the counter to that is that many will say they have put their money and support behind the team for the last six seasons and longer but have been rewarded with little or no success, poor management, poor teams and poor and unexciting football. It is inevitable that over a period it will lead to people giving up and doing something else.
I myself do not now go to every game. Even my Grandson who would get upset at missing a game a couple of seasons back doesn't worry anymore. He and others like him was and is the future support. If we lose them then we are in real trouble as a club. Like KHA it is over hours driving, more when traffic is bad plus walk to ground. Saturday is virtually a write off and there comes a point where you just havn't the enthusiasm to do it anymore. We just might call that "being fatigued".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 16:48:04 GMT
Supporting any football club takes a bit of effort -- Supporting and attending Charlton at this time, a bit more is needed.
Expecting manager and players to give their all to get us out of this league while sitting at home, nice and warm, a bit fatigued at the thought of going but at least you don't have to drive and you are home by five -- don't really cut it with me tbh!!
The rest of us will put in the hours, attend on cold Saturdays and frosty nights win lose or draw --
I suppose we will see all when we are back in the Championship -- If you are not too fatigued and can work up some enthusiasm--
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Post by willett on Nov 6, 2018 16:51:16 GMT
Supporting any football club takes a bit of effort -- Supporting and attending Charlton at this time, a bit more is needed. Expecting manager and players to give their all to get us out of this league while sitting at home, nice and warm, a bit fatigued at the thought of going but at least you don't have to drive and you are home by five -- don't really cut it with me tbh!! The rest of us will put in the hours, attend on cold Saturdays and frosty nights win lose or draw -- I suppose we will see all when we are back in the Championship -- If you are not too fatigued and can work up some enthusiasm-- You going tonight?
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Post by hairyhotdog on Nov 6, 2018 16:58:28 GMT
Firstly I respect all of your reasons for not going every game , but from my perspective , I’ve been to all bar 2 home games this year due to being abroad and I’ve not only found the atmosphere superb before the game , in Crossbars , during the game , at half time and even the bar is buzzing after a game , there is plenty of chat about Charlton and nothing negative about anything other than the current match taking place (if we are losing) , the only place I hear the really negative stuff is on the forums , everyone I chat to or overhear seems to be in great spirits weekly...
Looking back to when I used to travel to Selhurst every other week , now that was a time to moan , but now I’d say the general buzz around the home games is positive and I enjoy my match day experience maybe more than I ever have done...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 17:05:07 GMT
Supporting any football club takes a bit of effort -- Supporting and attending Charlton at this time, a bit more is needed. Expecting manager and players to give their all to get us out of this league while sitting at home, nice and warm, a bit fatigued at the thought of going but at least you don't have to drive and you are home by five -- don't really cut it with me tbh!! The rest of us will put in the hours, attend on cold Saturdays and frosty nights win lose or draw -- I suppose we will see all when we are back in the Championship -- If you are not too fatigued and can work up some enthusiasm-- You going tonight? The posts I responded to were about attending The Valley which I do and will continue to do so --. Tonight I will be following the game on Valley Pass -- I have total admiration for those hardy souls who will be at the Bescot Stadium giving the lads their support! Are You Going? -- If so, well done you.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Nov 6, 2018 17:13:37 GMT
I think the guys who aren’t enjoying it should meet up with SV and myself next home game , few beers in Crossbars a chat about great Charlton days at halftime and a few beers after to celebrate another 3 points... what do you think SV , shall we reinvigorate the fatigued few...?
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 6, 2018 17:23:16 GMT
Supporting any football club takes a bit of effort -- Supporting and attending Charlton at this time, a bit more is needed. Expecting manager and players to give their all to get us out of this league while sitting at home, nice and warm, a bit fatigued at the thought of going but at least you don't have to drive and you are home by five -- don't really cut it with me tbh!! The rest of us will put in the hours, attend on cold Saturdays and frosty nights win lose or draw -- I suppose we will see all when we are back in the Championship -- If you are not too fatigued and can work up some enthusiasm-- Although I fully respect your point of view please try to remember that the Manager and players are paid, very handsomely, to give their all and to get us out of this division! Some of the money they earn will be from the season tickets that both my father and I have bought - and choose not to use every game. When Lee Bowyer comes down to my office and pays me to cheer me for doing my job I promise to increase my attendance to 100%. Until then I don’t really care if it cuts it for you. If any of the players earning more in a month that many fans earn in a year are refusing to do their best if I take a day off then they are welcome to play for someone else, as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 17:23:44 GMT
I think the guys who aren’t enjoying it should meet up with SV and myself next home game , few beers in Crossbars a chat about great Charlton days at halftime and a few beers after to celebrate another 3 points... what do you think SV , shall we reinvigorate the fatigued few...? Like it -- sounds a good idea HHD -- Long as they have enough effort and enthusiasm in them to get up the stairs and are not to fatigued when reaching the top -- We could all have a Great Time!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 17:26:56 GMT
Supporting any football club takes a bit of effort -- Supporting and attending Charlton at this time, a bit more is needed. Expecting manager and players to give their all to get us out of this league while sitting at home, nice and warm, a bit fatigued at the thought of going but at least you don't have to drive and you are home by five -- don't really cut it with me tbh!! The rest of us will put in the hours, attend on cold Saturdays and frosty nights win lose or draw -- I suppose we will see all when we are back in the Championship -- If you are not too fatigued and can work up some enthusiasm-- Although I fully respect your point of view please try to remember that the Manager and players are paid, very handsomely, to give their all and to get us out of this division! Some of the money they earn will be from the season tickets that both my father and I have bought - and choose not to use every game. When Lee Bowyer comes down to my office and pays me to cheer me for doing my job I promise to increase my attendance to 100%. Until then I don’t really care if it cuts it for you. If any of the players earning more in a month that many fans earn in a year are refusing to do their best if I take a day off then they are welcome to play for someone else, as far as I’m concerned. You are coming over a bit on the old bitter side there KHA -- If you don't mind me saying!!
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 6, 2018 17:39:18 GMT
Although I fully respect your point of view please try to remember that the Manager and players are paid, very handsomely, to give their all and to get us out of this division! Some of the money they earn will be from the season tickets that both my father and I have bought - and choose not to use every game. When Lee Bowyer comes down to my office and pays me to cheer me for doing my job I promise to increase my attendance to 100%. Until then I don’t really care if it cuts it for you. If any of the players earning more in a month that many fans earn in a year are refusing to do their best if I take a day off then they are welcome to play for someone else, as far as I’m concerned. You are coming over a bit on the old bitter side there KHA -- If you don't mind me saying!! Not at all, it just sounded like you were judging me, and my life choices, and I thought I'd just share my thoughts with you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 17:51:38 GMT
You are coming over a bit on the old bitter side there KHA -- If you don't mind me saying!! Not at all, it just sounded like you were judging me, and my life choices, and I thought I'd just share my thoughts with you. Judging you or your life choices, not at all -- Just responding to posts in general not just yours --
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Post by roburwash on Nov 6, 2018 18:08:31 GMT
Blimey some people on here seem so disillusioned I can't imagine why they even bother to come on sites like this. If you IFollow home games and a lot of other people do the same there will be no club to support
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Post by willett on Nov 6, 2018 18:38:32 GMT
The posts I responded to were about attending The Valley which I do and will continue to do so --. Tonight I will be following the game on Valley Pass -- I have total admiration for those hardy souls who will be at the Bescot Stadium giving the lads their support! Are You Going? -- If so, well done you. [ Not tonight, Only just finished work. Just felt like you were criticising people for not going to home games when you don't know about their circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 18:49:38 GMT
The posts I responded to were about attending The Valley which I do and will continue to do so --. Tonight I will be following the game on Valley Pass -- I have total admiration for those hardy souls who will be at the Bescot Stadium giving the lads their support! Are You Going? -- If so, well done you. [ Not tonight, Only just finished work. Just felt like you were criticising people for not going to home games when you don't know about their circumstances. No I don.t know the stay away - boycotting - fatigued peoples circumstances -- I am not a social worker just a football fan responding to posts that is all. Some seem to be able to give it -- but not take it -- And that is not a criticism aimed at a particular person - just a general observation!
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Post by hairyhotdog on Nov 6, 2018 18:57:09 GMT
Blimey some people on here seem so disillusioned I can't imagine why they even bother to come on sites like this. If you IFollow home games and a lot of other people do the same there will be no club to support PL54 outlined the ifollow rules on other thread which I for one was unaware of , no games on Saturday afternoon , so anyone counting on watching Charlton all season on ifollow probably would only get half a dozen games or so...
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