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Post by oldred on Oct 12, 2019 8:55:10 GMT
What an absolute nightmare that would be, a merger with Crystal Palace . I can only think of one worse scenario than that, and it would make feel sick to even contemplate that.
You can keep your fifth place in the Premier League, I’d rather be in the Championship with my club as it is now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 9:21:46 GMT
A merger between Crystal Palace and Charlton Athletic is an intriguing notion. Seems extremely unlikely, but with a combined catchment area of millions - easily capable of pulling in 50K, 60K or 70K+ supporters I can see the potential of creating a Club capable of competing with Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea. A fourth London Giant. A real competitor for long term dominance of the Premier League, which is something neither Crystal Palace or Charlton Athletic can ever be by themselves. I wonder what the technical implications would be as far as the league is concerned, with one Club being in the Premier League and the other in the Championship. I suppose if the 'merger' was actually executed as a take-over of Charlton by Palace, then the new combined Club could keep its top flight status. A large number of Palace and Charlton fans would naturally be pretty unhappy at the prospect, but in the end I'm not sure what they could actually do about it aside from protest and boycott. Protests as we know can be ignored, and if the marketing is done properly and the new team wins games, fans will eventually come back - or new ones will be attracted. Can't say I'm wild about the idea myself, but to me it would be no more controversial than Red Bull buying the Club - something which would (in my view) end CAFC as we have known it every bit as much as a merger with Crystal Palace, but would apparently be welcomed by many fans because of the footballing success it would bring. It's the kind of idea that might well appeal to an ambitious US consortium. Raises the question how far would fans be prepared to go in pursuit of success. Great read. One of the charms of British football for me as a foreigner is that there are so many clubs with a long history/tradition. Would be a shame to see that go away. If you ask the average foreign football fan to name 10 German, Italian, French or Spanish clubs they might struggle. The same people wouldn't have an issue naming 25 British clubs, maybe w/o knowing the league they are in atm. On the other hand, L1 and the Championship are financial graveyards, and it's simple economics that this can't last forever. Generally speaking I personally prefer mergers over clubs going bankrupt. And Americans tend to be less sentimental, and scaling is always a valid strategy for them. But since they are a minority shareholder in Palace, they luckily can't force anything. This is probably not a view shared by everybody but I would prefer Charlton to go out of existence than share with Palace. Football is all about rivalry and identity my Dad took me to Charlton fifty eight years ago and it has been my Club, through thick and thin, ever since. If we merged with Palace my Club would be dead.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 12, 2019 9:29:48 GMT
Not sure if it's wise to share this: my source is a former STVV board member who worked close with RD. Spoke to him/her last night after Belgium - San Marino. As you know RD sold Alcorcon last June to an American consortium which is also a Crystal Palace stakeholder (~ 20% I believe). I was told that at one point they looked into the idea of a Charlton/Palace merger, to form 1 big South London club. While they expected a shit storm a study has apparently shown that if this were to happen, this new club could potentially challenge the PL top 5. Now I have no clue if this idea has been buried, nor if this is still ongoing. The clue in your post is that the promoter of the idea was American. They have a very different approach with no promotion / relegation but instead the ability to relocate teams thousands of miles away. The beauty of the English set up is that many clubs have the potential to move from 50th in the pecking order to 15th in just a few years... and back again of course! Just look at Sheffield United. So at several points in our history, people have looked at a merger but the fact is that Charlton, Palace, West Ham and Fulham all had the potential. And this could be realised through strong financing, good strategy and precise execution. In other words, merging with another club does nothing that cannot be achieved through promotion to the EPL and decent organic growth. When we were mid-table in League one we hit an all time low in terms of performances and morale, but a couple of years later we see 22,000 in the ground without some form of discount tickets. Marketing is all about the 6 Ps and we certainly have the Place, the Pricing, the Promotion, Product and now Performance. What's different compared to the last 14 years is that in Bows, JJ and Gallen we now have the People that fans can believe in. It will take time - probably at least three more transfer windows - but with this set up it's possible to envisage becoming a top half Championship side and then top six. This will cost millions in fees and losses starting January 2020 but is probably RD's cheapest way forwards given he could end up owning a club worth £150-200M!
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Post by oldred on Oct 12, 2019 12:27:12 GMT
Biggest load of Camel Turd I've read on this forum. And that's saying something. Right, don't shoot the messenger. I'm not going to defend my credibility, but is it such a crazy idea that an American sports consortium with several franchises would explore the idea of creating a new club in one of the major cities in the world, at least from their point of view? They have a totally different perspective on sports vs business than we have in the UK/Europe. For the record, I wholeheartedly hope this never happens; but I won't rule out mergers of traditional football clubs in the future either when the current financial madness continues. I am talking in general here, not necessarily about Charlton. No disrespect to you zenga, and I appreciate you posting what you did, but the whole idea would be a complete and utter no no to most football fans, not just Charlton. I couldn’t even contemplate merging with another club, let alone a local rival. The clubs would both completely lose their identity, and both sets of fans would never accept that and be willing to merge into one. Forget about business model, an idea like this shows how completely out of touch any new owner would be with English Football, and show a complete lack of understanding of English football culture. I’ve been supporting Charlton for around 45 years, but the day anything like this proposal was put into practice, would be the end for me, whatever success it led to.
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Post by lukepiestalker on Oct 12, 2019 15:19:13 GMT
It's a shite idea but the kind of thing we may not get a choice about.
Would be the end for me but doubt it will happen. It's far too crazy an idea.
I realise they have their faults but surely the EFL would not let it happen unless both clubs were in such dire straits it made sense.
Dare I say it but Millwall would be a better option for them. One ground closer to both currently in operation....
Make you shudder more, surely?
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Post by jeddez on Oct 12, 2019 16:32:03 GMT
More nonsense added to a 90 page thread full of nonsense!!
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Post by lukepiestalker on Oct 12, 2019 16:54:27 GMT
More nonsense added to a 90 page thread full of nonsense!! Nobody is forcing to read, think about it or reply.
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Post by jeddez on Oct 12, 2019 17:19:42 GMT
More nonsense added to a 90 page thread full of nonsense!! Nobody is forcing to read, think about it or reply. Thanks for informing me of that! This is the third (of which I can remember) takeover thread we have had on this site, the previous 2 got closed. On this third thread we have had numerous ITK reports from all those who aren’t ITK but insist they are otherwise meaning a load of nonsense as none of it has been true!! Then the last 2 pages have been about a merger between CAFC and CPFC, something that would never happen and every football fan knows this! Therefore more nonsense (not a dig at you personally zenga). So, I have thought about it, that was my reply whether you liked, agreed, disliked, disagreed with it!
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Post by willett on Oct 12, 2019 18:57:07 GMT
Nobody is forcing to read, think about it or reply. Thanks for informing me of that! This is the third (of which I can remember) takeover thread we have had on this site, the previous 2 got closed. On this third thread we have had numerous ITK reports from all those who aren’t ITK but insist they are otherwise meaning a load of nonsense as none of it has been true!! Then the last 2 pages have been about a merger between CAFC and CPFC, something that would never happen and every football fan knows this! Therefore more nonsense (not a dig at you personally zenga). So, I have thought about it, that was my reply whether you liked, agreed, disliked, disagreed with it! Most accurate post I've seen all day!
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Post by scabbyhorse on Oct 12, 2019 19:10:25 GMT
More nonsense added to a 90 page thread full of nonsense!! Tried not to reply but yes its nonsense. 90 pages of shit. Ticket bought for WBA, hotel booked Saturday night too roll on the 26th.
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Post by overthetop on Oct 12, 2019 19:36:06 GMT
I think a merger is an excellent idea.
Indeed, I'd go one stage further and merge Charlton/Palace/Millwall into one super team.
South London United.
We would keep the red from the Palace kit, the white from the Millwall kit and Charlton's nickname. We would, of course play at The Valley, the largest of the three club's stadia.
Some people have no vision.
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Post by willett on Oct 12, 2019 21:19:17 GMT
Just had a look at some of the initial posts on this thread.
The amount of times we were told The Aussies were taking over!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 6:58:39 GMT
No idea if this rumour has any base, as my angry reply is not directed at anyone who supplied the info. But....no way. We have no connection with Palace, any merger would swalliw a lot of what we hold dear, unless tge ground and kit remained.ours, something I doubt any club in the Prem would contemplate. I would not consider this to be Charlton, and would not watch them play. Really cannot see this as a starter, but if it happened, Palace would be in control. These guys should maybe consider merging Brentford and Fulham?
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Post by thevalleybest on Oct 13, 2019 20:10:31 GMT
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Post by kings hill addick on Oct 14, 2019 9:43:11 GMT
I'm not sure this subject even warrants a post but the merger into a super club would have two obvious problems:
1) The idea of getting in 70k fans would be based on extending or building a new stadium to accommodate them. Approx cost (based on Spurs new stadium) close to £1bn. Firstly, I have no idea where that would come from and, secondly, with a lot less any one of the clubs could buy their way into the top six in the Premier League table.
2) I, absolutely, would never support a merged club. I suspect that I'm not alone in that. The end result would be a 'super' club with a 70k stadium with less than 20k turning up and debts (or capital investment in equity) of £1bn for the stadium and, presumably in excess of £500m to buy a team to compete in the Premier League.
Just how thick does someone need to be to think that this is a good financial strategy? What are the chances of someone being this thick being able to raise £1.5bn?
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Post by baconsandwich on Oct 14, 2019 20:38:55 GMT
The Team could be Called Fish n Chips
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Post by wellingaddick on Oct 29, 2019 14:28:39 GMT
According to James Seed, take it as you will, the Aussies have pulled out for good!
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 29, 2019 14:59:18 GMT
He was saying at the end of last week that a revised bid was going in this week!!!
JS is where BB gets his info from, not that any of you didn't know.
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Post by thevalleybest on Oct 29, 2019 15:05:30 GMT
According to James Seed, take it as you will, the Aussies have pulled out for good! Also the Americans.
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 29, 2019 15:16:36 GMT
According to James Seed, take it as you will, the Aussies have pulled out for good! It’s untrue .... the Aussies / Americans have not pulled out as of 5 mins ago there still very much putting in second revised bid this week
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 29, 2019 15:18:47 GMT
He was saying at the end of last week that a revised bid was going in this week!!! JS is where BB gets his info from, not that any of you didn't know. I gave JS his info .. he confirmed it with Gerald Murphy Get it right Reams This is the message I got from JS after I told him About Aussies and Americans Absolutely. I put it to GM and he confirmed. 👍. My days of drinking all night are long gone!
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 29, 2019 15:22:28 GMT
According to James Seed, take it as you will, the Aussies have pulled out for good! It’s untrue .... the Aussies / Americans have not pulled out as of 5 mins ago there still very much putting in second revised bid this week Still looking into it .. but there unaware of this story being true
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 15:46:17 GMT
According to James Seed, take it as you will, the Aussies have pulled out for good! Whoever listens to Dutton needs their bumps felt.
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Post by thevalleybest on Oct 29, 2019 16:11:08 GMT
Some clubs just don't get a new takeover.Charlton, Newcastle and Sunderland.
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Post by willett on Oct 29, 2019 17:01:28 GMT
It’s untrue .... the Aussies / Americans have not pulled out as of 5 mins ago there still very much putting in second revised bid this week Still looking into it .. but there unaware of this story being true Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness.
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Post by willett on Oct 29, 2019 17:03:04 GMT
He was saying at the end of last week that a revised bid was going in this week!!! JS is where BB gets his info from, not that any of you didn't know. I've lost count how many times the pair of them have been wrong. The people in the ticket office probably know more.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 29, 2019 17:37:31 GMT
So BB if you are feeding JS how come he said it's off before you have?
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Post by essexaddick on Oct 29, 2019 18:01:47 GMT
According to James Seed, take it as you will, the Aussies have pulled out for good! It’s untrue .... the Aussies / Americans have not pulled out as of 5 mins ago there still very much putting in second revised bid this week Absolutely true. Have not been interested for sometime
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Post by essexaddick on Oct 29, 2019 18:03:32 GMT
Not that it matters as they were never going to have the money anyway.
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Post by revilo on Oct 29, 2019 18:38:13 GMT
I'm putting a bid in guys, £5.50 if anyone is interested.
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