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Post by lukepiestalker on Oct 4, 2018 9:59:48 GMT
It’s all gone very quiet at the moment. Hopefully calm before the storm.Feels more like the peace between continuous serious vomitus. It makes me feel quite bilious the whole affair. Concentrate on the football is the easiest things to do. It's funny, in the days before the internet I didn't really care about any of this stuff. Too much info is a world virus, generally. I'd imagine not much will happen until next May now. We are looking pretty sound for the division so unless we get some ultra bad luck with injuries I can't see us being in a relegation battle, with a fair wind we could realistically get a playoff spot.
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Post by mendonca on Oct 4, 2018 10:03:49 GMT
Get fed up with BB being constantly maligned when, as far as I'm aware, his posts are always positive- he doesn't spread negativity - and his takeover updates have been more accurate than anyone else has to offer! Can't believe some of the animosity towards him - even if you don't believe what he's saying is he doing any harm?
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 4, 2018 10:05:31 GMT
Personally I think that some of the stuff about our fanbase being terribly divided is exaggerated and keeps coming from a few people who have personal grudges about a small number of admittedly vocal personalities like Rick Everett and Ben Hayes who post on Charlton Life. Continually going on about division only increases the feeling that there really is a huge kind of 50/50 divide that can never be healed. Let's face it, this site consisted at one time of a largely pro-Duchatelet group of posters who sneered at any others who demurred as 'vinegar pissers' but who have now come round to the present position of wanting him gone. Agreed that it's exaggerated. The fans will be 100% behind Bow and the lads on Saturday as we attempt to claw our way back into the top six. The only real division is between those who believe that they must "do something" and those who simply want to back Bow and the lads. It will only kick off again if we start failing on the pitch and lose touch with the top six. One can but agree that something has shifted - three years ago a majority wanted RD to change his ways whereas now the majority want him to sell up. Where we now have a dilemma is that those showing an interest in buying the club can't put a deal together and can't stop leaking into social media.
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Post by kings hill addick on Oct 4, 2018 11:04:55 GMT
Personally I think that some of the stuff about our fanbase being terribly divided is exaggerated and keeps coming from a few people who have personal grudges about a small number of admittedly vocal personalities like Rick Everett and Ben Hayes who post on Charlton Life. Continually going on about division only increases the feeling that there really is a huge kind of 50/50 divide that can never be healed. Let's face it, this site consisted at one time of a largely pro-Duchatelet group of posters who sneered at any others who demurred as 'vinegar pissers' but who have now come round to the present position of wanting him gone. Agreed that it's exaggerated. The fans will be 100% behind Bow and the lads on Saturday as we attempt to claw our way back into the top six. The only real division is between those who believe that they must "do something" and those who simply want to back Bow and the lads. It will only kick off again if we start failing on the pitch and lose touch with the top six. One can but agree that something has shifted - three years ago a majority wanted RD to change his ways whereas now the majority want him to sell up. Where we now have a dilemma is that those showing an interest in buying the club can't put a deal together and can't stop leaking into social media. Ignoring the divisions, which I think are magnified on Message Boards and by the fact that those that believe they are in a battle with the club (RD) are, actively, looking for reasons to say things negative, the universal desire to have RD sell up is based on a very dangerous assumption. Football has become a much more expensive hobby in the last two decades. In reality none of the owners in my lifetime (and probably for much longer) have had the wealth to subsidise the current losses outside of the Premier League, or to fund a serious promotion challenge to get there. For the purposes of this point I'm going to ignore the unlikely outcome that a cheaply assembled squad of frees and loans are going to get us promoted, twice. As RD has been here for a few years now memories have probably faded, and those of us that feared for the future of the club in the face of massive losses, year on year, with owners that couldn't fund those loses are, perhaps, being fooled into believing that there are several billionaires that can't wait to throw c. £200m on a football club, that they couldn't have pointed to on a map a year ago. The reality is that we could well end up with a 'group' that have cobbled together a few million, are going to borrow a few tens of millions more and have nothing more than ambitions and dreams, and a business plan that a teenager would be embarrassed to hand in for his GCSE coursework (if that still exists). We may well come to look back on this season as a Golden Age if the new owners run out of money like every other owner we've had in the last forty years, save the current one. The difference now is that, as we all know, a local business man with a few quid can't afford to own and run a football club - never mind one that has a stadium that is fit for, and as costly to run, as a Premier League club. I'm not advocating RD staying, and I don't think he will now. I'm, also, not pointing fingers in advance of allocating blame at those that have been calling for him (and KM) to leave since he'd been here just a few months. I'm just bemused by the sheer number of fans that seem to think that a new owner will, automatically, be both willing and able to spend the kind of sums of money that our club has never, ever, spent outside of the Premier League - especially as we are, technically, as far away from it as we have ever been!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 11:47:09 GMT
Get fed up with BB being constantly maligned when, as far as I'm aware, his posts are always positive- he doesn't spread negativity - and his takeover updates have been more accurate than anyone else has to offer! Can't believe some of the animosity towards him - even if you don't believe what he's saying is he doing any harm? The thought that Bexley may know more than others is too much for some who consider themselves to be itk. Other detractors are just echo chambers and have nothing to offer but a cheap dig. If l find his takeover posts to be too much then I’ll just ignore them. He’s only passing on what information he has . Having a pop at him speaks way more about detractors than it’ll ever do about BB.
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Post by oldred on Oct 4, 2018 12:38:20 GMT
Some good points kha , and I would agree with a lot of it . I think the divisions between the fans though , is borne out more by the attendances , than anything written on message boards to be honest .
The amount of fans still going to home matches ,sometimes ,is nearly matched by the amount of fans who don't go now . Regarding RD , despite the obvious early mistakes , regarding selling players , and bad managerial appointments , I feel that many fans were prepared to give him a chance to become the owner we wanted . Appointing British managers , gave hope that this would happen and things could change .
Unfortunately , the refusal to spend enough money , whilst still selling the best players , has made many more people convinced now , that it's not going to happen . The decision to sell , with the ongoing cost cutting measures , has accelerated fans desire for him to leave asap .
I agree with what you are saying above . There aren't a glut of people around who want to spend/waste millions of pounds on a football club , and I don't subscribe to the " any owner is better than Duchatelet " line .
At the end of the day , the next owner could be better or worse , but we , the fans, will have no say or influence in this . We will just get who we get , and have to hope for the best ., because if it all goes wrong , there is no going back .
It's a big regret for me and most others , that RD wasn't the owner we had hoped for . We were a championship team , and some sound investment , might have seen him achieve the millions available from reaching the premier league . He had the funds to fo this , but not the desire or ambition .
The sad thing is , it was a lost opportunity for the fans , and for him .
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Post by discocafc on Oct 4, 2018 12:52:10 GMT
Get fed up with BB being constantly maligned when, as far as I'm aware, his posts are always positive- he doesn't spread negativity - and his takeover updates have been more accurate than anyone else has to offer! Can't believe some of the animosity towards him - even if you don't believe what he's saying is he doing any harm? The thought that Bexley may know more than others is too much for some who consider themselves to be itk. Other detractors are just echo chambers and have nothing to offer but a cheap dig. If l find his takeover posts to be too much then I’ll just ignore them. He’s only passing on what information he has . Having a pop at him speaks way more about detractors than it’ll ever do about BB. Wake up will you! Lol All Bexley is doing is repeating what the club have said in the past and wants to give us the impression that he knows more than we do! We knew their is interested parties right from the off as the club have told us this, we also knew there is a fans forum meeting yesterday but nooo Bexley informs us we will hear about the Aussies last night. Bit of a coincidence that is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 12:58:11 GMT
The thought that Bexley may know more than others is too much for some who consider themselves to be itk. Other detractors are just echo chambers and have nothing to offer but a cheap dig. If l find his takeover posts to be too much then I’ll just ignore them. He’s only passing on what information he has . Having a pop at him speaks way more about detractors than it’ll ever do about BB. Wake up will you! Lol All Bexley is doing is repeating what the club have said in the past and wants to give us the impression that he knows more than we do! We knew their is interested parties right from the off as the club have told us this, we also knew there is a fans forum meeting yesterday but nooo Bexley informs us we will hear about the Aussies last night. Bit of a coincidence that is. Gives you something to do l suppose.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 4, 2018 13:13:50 GMT
Get fed up with BB being constantly maligned when, as far as I'm aware, his posts are always positive- he doesn't spread negativity - and his takeover updates have been more accurate than anyone else has to offer! Can't believe some of the animosity towards him - even if you don't believe what he's saying is he doing any harm? The thought that Bexley may know more than others is too much for some who consider themselves to be itk. Other detractors are just echo chambers and have nothing to offer but a cheap dig. If l find his takeover posts to be too much then I’ll just ignore them. He’s only passing on what information he has . Having a pop at him speaks way more about detractors than it’ll ever do about BB. Hold on, he has told us no end of times that the Aussies are the only group interested. During that time I have maintained all along that there is an English group also in the picture. Now it appears there are five parties in the frame so don't get on your high horse. I couldn't give two shits who knows what, it's all a bit childish trying to claim the scoop and people coming across as being in the know more than anyone else. I have tried to help the guy telling him he is having his chain pulled but he can't see it! Perhaps the penny will drop when the new owners announce themselves.
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Post by cafc2002 on Oct 4, 2018 13:47:00 GMT
Everyone picking on BB again? Keep posting BB their only keyboard warriors who think theirs is the only opinion that matters.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 4, 2018 13:58:17 GMT
Everyone picking on BB again? Keep posting BB their only keyboard warriors who think theirs is the only opinion that matters. Picking on him!! bit of an overreaction that jondon! His claims are being scrutinised that's all and rightly so. What people are saying is he has been banging on about the same thing for 9 months without so much of an ounce of credibility to show for what he is has been telling us. He keeps on singing the same song, if you want to join in with the chorus that's up to you but I prefer to be informed of the bigger picture and not the one where the Aussies are the be all and end all just because he claims to have a 'contact' or two.
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Post by lukepiestalker on Oct 4, 2018 14:08:21 GMT
Personally I think that some of the stuff about our fanbase being terribly divided is exaggerated and keeps coming from a few people who have personal grudges about a small number of admittedly vocal personalities like Rick Everett and Ben Hayes who post on Charlton Life. Continually going on about division only increases the feeling that there really is a huge kind of 50/50 divide that can never be healed. Let's face it, this site consisted at one time of a largely pro-Duchatelet group of posters who sneered at any others who demurred as 'vinegar pissers' but who have now come round to the present position of wanting him gone. Disquiet, if you want a nicer term f or it, is a few rabble rousers online. Thousands have gone. missing from the home games. Always seems to be people who have been booted off CL for one reason or another.
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Post by massivebeak on Oct 4, 2018 14:17:59 GMT
I think the overall feeling due to the ongoing saga is just one of complete frustration. Certain people will get it in the neck due to this- we just need to chill out and remain calm. I for one have stopped thinking about it, too many disappointments previously and I'm just looking at the next match now.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 4, 2018 14:21:14 GMT
Personally I think that some of the stuff about our fanbase being terribly divided is exaggerated and keeps coming from a few people who have personal grudges about a small number of admittedly vocal personalities like Rick Everett and Ben Hayes who post on Charlton Life. Continually going on about division only increases the feeling that there really is a huge kind of 50/50 divide that can never be healed. Let's face it, this site consisted at one time of a largely pro-Duchatelet group of posters who sneered at any others who demurred as 'vinegar pissers' but who have now come round to the present position of wanting him gone. So what are you saying then, because the majority on here want him long gone too we have to be of the same breed as those you mention? Don't hold your breath, we have a bit more class than that. There is a fan divide otherwise you would be getting 10,000 at the so called protests and no matter how you want to dress it up Rick Everett, Ben Hayes and others are not liked because of the way they have gone about things.
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Post by potato on Oct 4, 2018 14:56:00 GMT
Personally I think that some of the stuff about our fanbase being terribly divided is exaggerated and keeps coming from a few people who have personal grudges about a small number of admittedly vocal personalities like Rick Everett and Ben Hayes who post on Charlton Life. Continually going on about division only increases the feeling that there really is a huge kind of 50/50 divide that can never be healed. Let's face it, this site consisted at one time of a largely pro-Duchatelet group of posters who sneered at any others who demurred as 'vinegar pissers' but who have now come round to the present position of wanting him gone. So what are you saying then, because the majority on here want him long gone too we have to be of the same breed as those you mention? Don't hold your breath, we have a bit more class than that. There is a fan divide otherwise you would be getting 10,000 at the so called protests and no matter how you want to dress it up Rick Everett, Ben Hayes and others are not liked because of the way they have gone about things. Even if 10, 000 fans backed a protest, you wouldn't get 10, 000 turn up. Why? Because what people say and what people do are often at odds with each other. The only people who really support a protest are those that turn up, and apart from one very large protest where a LOT of fans turned up, they have mostly been a bit shit. In terms of division, there isn't much, most fans are united in wanting the owner gone. Sure there are a handful of people on both forums who are at odds with each other, but these forums are used by a relatively tiny number of fans and cannot really be seen as representative of the supporter base, in much the same way that CAST, due to their low membership numbers, cannot be seen as representative either.
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Post by DFT on Oct 4, 2018 14:58:54 GMT
I've given up all hope of a takeover happening any time soon.
I'm just gonna get behind LeeBo, Jacko and the team.
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Post by massivebeak on Oct 4, 2018 15:13:05 GMT
I've given up all hope of a takeover happening any time soon. I'm just gonna get behind LeeBo, Jacko and the team. Seconded
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Post by cafc2002 on Oct 4, 2018 15:20:18 GMT
Everyone picking on BB again? Keep posting BB their only keyboard warriors who think theirs is the only opinion that matters. Picking on him!! bit of an overreaction that jondon! His claims are being scrutinised that's all and rightly so. What people are saying is he has been banging on about the same thing for 9 months without so much of an ounce of credibility to show for what he is has been telling us. He keeps on singing the same song, if you want to join in with the chorus that's up to you but I prefer to be informed of the bigger picture and not the one where the Aussies are the be all and end all just because he claims to have a 'contact' or two. Don't think he's ever claimed the Aussies are the be all and end all, he claims to know what's going on so good luck to him who am I to say he's full of shit, hes never abusive towards people, unlike some are to him.
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Post by roburwash on Oct 4, 2018 15:29:27 GMT
Personally I think that some of the stuff about our fanbase being terribly divided is exaggerated and keeps coming from a few people who have personal grudges about a small number of admittedly vocal personalities like Rick Everett and Ben Hayes who post on Charlton Life. Continually going on about division only increases the feeling that there really is a huge kind of 50/50 divide that can never be healed. Let's face it, this site consisted at one time of a largely pro-Duchatelet group of posters who sneered at any others who demurred as 'vinegar pissers' but who have now come round to the present position of wanting him gone. So what are you saying then, because the majority on here want him long gone too we have to be of the same breed as those you mention? Don't hold your breath, we have a bit more class than that. There is a fan divide otherwise you would be getting 10,000 at the so called protests and no matter how you want to dress it up Rick Everett, Ben Hayes and others are not liked because of the way they have gone about things. Absolutely not saying that - I was pointing out that there is a growth towards consensus rather than towards division.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 4, 2018 16:36:26 GMT
I've given up all hope of a takeover happening any time soon. I'm just gonna get behind LeeBo, Jacko and the team. Surely that's the only course of action which we fans can take right now. This and to follow the development of the squad performances and results followed up with an intelligent discussion about the next window. This season is evolving differently to last but we are on a similar number of points and just a breath away from sixth place. We will see where we are by end November and let's hope that it's a better place than last time when wheels started falling off. Can't see why the whole fanbase shouldn't back the lads to keep us on track. 5pm on Saturday we will know if we are still on track for a decent season. A takeover is not going to happen soon enough to affect our performances before Christmas so is it best to park these discussions?
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 4, 2018 17:50:51 GMT
Get fed up with BB being constantly maligned when, as far as I'm aware, his posts are always positive- he doesn't spread negativity - and his takeover updates have been more accurate than anyone else has to offer! Can't believe some of the animosity towards him - even if you don't believe what he's saying is he doing any harm? Sorry but if he keeps regurgitating the same information over and over again then he needs to be challenged on it. He chose to fly the Aussie flag for them on here so thats why he's getting his ribs tickled. Makes no difference at all whether three of the 5 parties only came to light last night. Fact is the Aussies are dragging their heels and are no closer to buying the club to what tbey were 6 months ago despite BB having us believe different.
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Post by jonkool on Oct 4, 2018 19:35:48 GMT
Agreed that it's exaggerated. The fans will be 100% behind Bow and the lads on Saturday as we attempt to claw our way back into the top six. The only real division is between those who believe that they must "do something" and those who simply want to back Bow and the lads. It will only kick off again if we start failing on the pitch and lose touch with the top six. One can but agree that something has shifted - three years ago a majority wanted RD to change his ways whereas now the majority want him to sell up. Where we now have a dilemma is that those showing an interest in buying the club can't put a deal together and can't stop leaking into social media. Ignoring the divisions, which I think are magnified on Message Boards and by the fact that those that believe they are in a battle with the club (RD) are, actively, looking for reasons to say things negative, the universal desire to have RD sell up is based on a very dangerous assumption. Football has become a much more expensive hobby in the last two decades. In reality none of the owners in my lifetime (and probably for much longer) have had the wealth to subsidise the current losses outside of the Premier League, or to fund a serious promotion challenge to get there. For the purposes of this point I'm going to ignore the unlikely outcome that a cheaply assembled squad of frees and loans are going to get us promoted, twice. As RD has been here for a few years now memories have probably faded, and those of us that feared for the future of the club in the face of massive losses, year on year, with owners that couldn't fund those loses are, perhaps, being fooled into believing that there are several billionaires that can't wait to throw c. £200m on a football club, that they couldn't have pointed to on a map a year ago. The reality is that we could well end up with a 'group' that have cobbled together a few million, are going to borrow a few tens of millions more and have nothing more than ambitions and dreams, and a business plan that a teenager would be embarrassed to hand in for his GCSE coursework (if that still exists). We may well come to look back on this season as a Golden Age if the new owners run out of money like every other owner we've had in the last forty years, save the current one. The difference now is that, as we all know, a local business man with a few quid can't afford to own and run a football club - never mind one that has a stadium that is fit for, and as costly to run, as a Premier League club. I'm not advocating RD staying, and I don't think he will now. I'm, also, not pointing fingers in advance of allocating blame at those that have been calling for him (and KM) to leave since he'd been here just a few months. I'm just bemused by the sheer number of fans that seem to think that a new owner will, automatically, be both willing and able to spend the kind of sums of money that our club has never, ever, spent outside of the Premier League - especially as we are, technically, as far away from it as we have ever been! Your final paragraph hits the nail when and truly on the head! Too many are naive when it comes to the next owner. We could be lucky or we could end up with another egotistical nightmare owner seeking another vanity project. I apologise in advance if this observation makes me an apologist 😉
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Post by mendonca on Oct 4, 2018 19:44:35 GMT
If him being 'challenged' was just the issue there would be no problem Reams. Unfortunately, rather than being challenged everything he posts - on every thread - is ridiculed and vilified. He doesn't bad mouth anyone but seems to take more abuse than those who do. A little respect for his efforts wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by thepurpleknob on Oct 4, 2018 19:44:42 GMT
I've given up all hope of a takeover happening any time soon. I'm just gonna get behind LeeBo, Jacko and the team. Surely that's the only course of action which we fans can take right now. This and to follow the development of the squad performances and results followed up with an intelligent discussion about the next window. This season is evolving differently to last but we are on a similar number of points and just a breath away from sixth place. We will see where we are by end November and let's hope that it's a better place than last time when wheels started falling off. Can't see why the whole fanbase shouldn't back the lads to keep us on track. 5pm on Saturday we will know if we are still on track for a decent season. A takeover is not going to happen soon enough to affect our performances before Christmas so is it best to park these discussions? So if we lose that means we are not on track?
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 4, 2018 20:15:46 GMT
Surely that's the only course of action which we fans can take right now. This and to follow the development of the squad performances and results followed up with an intelligent discussion about the next window. This season is evolving differently to last but we are on a similar number of points and just a breath away from sixth place. We will see where we are by end November and let's hope that it's a better place than last time when wheels started falling off. Can't see why the whole fanbase shouldn't back the lads to keep us on track. 5pm on Saturday we will know if we are still on track for a decent season. A takeover is not going to happen soon enough to affect our performances before Christmas so is it best to park these discussions? So if we lose that means we are not on track? Are you there backing Bow and the lads? Yes or no!
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 4, 2018 20:19:45 GMT
If him being 'challenged' was just the issue there would be no problem Reams. Unfortunately, rather than being challenged everything he posts - on every thread - is ridiculed and vilified. He doesn't bad mouth anyone but seems to take more abuse than those who do. A little respect for his efforts wouldn't go amiss. I agree it's not that I don't like the guy. We are friends on facebook and Colin comes across as a very respectable bloke with a nice family. All Im saying is that he does leave himself wide open for ridicule at times with his referee rants and Aussie snippets. I have deliberately played those down because we have seen and heard how the ex- Forest owner was dropped because he breached an NDA agreement so how likely is it that the Aussies or their associates would do exactly the same thing by leaking bits and pieces of sensitive information to total strangers on social media? People need to ask themselves that question before being critical of the likes of myself who has been trying to save him from a fall for some time. Colin's info could not have come from the Australians or anyone remotely close to them so giving that info out in the first place is misleading fans and that doesn't sit right with me. As for Colin himself though I like the guy like I said, he's a decent chap.
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Post by mendonca on Oct 4, 2018 21:18:48 GMT
Respect and understand your point of view but, as pointed out, my post was based on the fact that responses to BB, and all posts/posters, should be delivered with a modicum of respect.
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Post by Mundell on Oct 4, 2018 21:22:40 GMT
Agreed that it's exaggerated. The fans will be 100% behind Bow and the lads on Saturday as we attempt to claw our way back into the top six. The only real division is between those who believe that they must "do something" and those who simply want to back Bow and the lads. It will only kick off again if we start failing on the pitch and lose touch with the top six. One can but agree that something has shifted - three years ago a majority wanted RD to change his ways whereas now the majority want him to sell up. Where we now have a dilemma is that those showing an interest in buying the club can't put a deal together and can't stop leaking into social media. Ignoring the divisions, which I think are magnified on Message Boards and by the fact that those that believe they are in a battle with the club (RD) are, actively, looking for reasons to say things negative, the universal desire to have RD sell up is based on a very dangerous assumption. Football has become a much more expensive hobby in the last two decades. In reality none of the owners in my lifetime (and probably for much longer) have had the wealth to subsidise the current losses outside of the Premier League, or to fund a serious promotion challenge to get there. For the purposes of this point I'm going to ignore the unlikely outcome that a cheaply assembled squad of frees and loans are going to get us promoted, twice. As RD has been here for a few years now memories have probably faded, and those of us that feared for the future of the club in the face of massive losses, year on year, with owners that couldn't fund those loses are, perhaps, being fooled into believing that there are several billionaires that can't wait to throw c. £200m on a football club, that they couldn't have pointed to on a map a year ago. The reality is that we could well end up with a 'group' that have cobbled together a few million, are going to borrow a few tens of millions more and have nothing more than ambitions and dreams, and a business plan that a teenager would be embarrassed to hand in for his GCSE coursework (if that still exists). We may well come to look back on this season as a Golden Age if the new owners run out of money like every other owner we've had in the last forty years, save the current one. The difference now is that, as we all know, a local business man with a few quid can't afford to own and run a football club - never mind one that has a stadium that is fit for, and as costly to run, as a Premier League club. I'm not advocating RD staying, and I don't think he will now. I'm, also, not pointing fingers in advance of allocating blame at those that have been calling for him (and KM) to leave since he'd been here just a few months. I'm just bemused by the sheer number of fans that seem to think that a new owner will, automatically, be both willing and able to spend the kind of sums of money that our club has never, ever, spent outside of the Premier League - especially as we are, technically, as far away from it as we have ever been! Very well put. Mind you, if it did all go belly up under the next owner, CARD’s head of propaganda would still be telling his disciples ‘it doesn’t have to be this way’. It’s very easy to imagine you’re spending somebody else’s money and to assume you’d do so with considerable skill and judgement. Unfortunately, in the real world the challenges of ownership tend to highly demanding and, at times, intractable.
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Post by thepurpleknob on Oct 4, 2018 21:24:10 GMT
So if we lose that means we are not on track? Are you there backing Bow and the lads? Yes or no! To repeat, so if we lose that means we are not on track?
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 4, 2018 22:30:04 GMT
Are you there backing Bow and the lads? Yes or no! To repeat, so if we lose that means we are not on track? Let's see where we are at 5pm on Saturday! You're either there backing the lads or not.
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