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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 18, 2017 21:24:26 GMT
Been told tonight he is back and reported for tests at Sparrows Lane last week.
He is of course one of a few players that KR is yet to see play so the question is this.
Is he good enough for L1 and could potentially step up to the plate to save us a few bob?
My answer is on his 2015 Sporting Lisbon form, yes, but on his previous Charlton form and Red Star performances last season ...No.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jun 18, 2017 21:52:28 GMT
He looked appalling each time I saw him play, so I'd be keen for us to get rid.
The other thing to consider is that he's already a comedy figure amongst the fans, much like Johnson was last season (even before 'the incident'). That means people will be less patient towards him than they would be towards a new signing. The first mistake he makes will lead to him being under real pressure.
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Post by wellingaddick on Jun 18, 2017 22:17:18 GMT
He looked appalling each time I saw him play, so I'd be keen for us to get rid. The other thing to consider is that he's already a comedy figure amongst the fans, much like Johnson was last season (even before 'the incident'). That means people will be less patient towards him than they would be towards a new signing. The first mistake he makes will lead to him being under real pressure. Indeed! He looked like Bambi on ice! It was heart in the mouth, every time the opposition attacked us. No way is he even close, let alone equal to Pearce, Bauer or Konsa. I can see him being farmed out on loan again, or sold if possible, especially if we get another centre back in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 5:05:39 GMT
The real question is how serious are Charlton about targeting automatic promotion this season?A comprehensive clear-out of passengers and past failures, alongside a recruitment drive that sees at least seven or eight players of the quality of Mark Marshall (or better) is what we need to be doing if we are serious about promotion. If Charlton are not serious about promotion - if it is something the Club is just going to talk about aiming for or aspiring towards or having as an ambition, then by all means let's have Naby Sarr back. He can have a couple of decent games and some more unimpressive ones while we bob around in mid-table for nine months, beating a good team every now and then before throwing away those points against a bottom 6 side who wanted the win more than we did on the day. We ain't getting out of this league (in an upwards direction) relying on players who have let us down in the past.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jun 19, 2017 7:29:21 GMT
You sort of feel that he should be good enough at this level, but it was his reading of the ball in the air that was especially poor. With the amount of time that the ball is going to be chucked in the air by some teams in this league I worry for him.
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Post by imacharltonfan on Jun 19, 2017 7:58:41 GMT
Been told tonight he is back and reported for tests at Sparrows Lane last week. He is of course one of a few players that KR is yet to see play so the question is this. Is he good enough for L1 and could potentially step up to the plate to save us a few bob? My answer is on his 2015 Sporting Lisbon form, yes, but on his previous Charlton form and Red Star performances last season ...No. I really want to say yes ! He has a great build for a CB and is still young and has played in some big games already. However, I still have nightmares of him falling backwards every time a player ran at him and when he was here before he couldn't hold his own against Coventry. But still I think Karl is looking for a third choice CB after the Thompson article so who knows. Think we could see Sarr in a few pre season games and that will be that. Fair play to both him and Kashi though if they actually do want to come back and prove them selves in England as it would be easy for them to move on abroad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 10:03:29 GMT
Nabby Sarr has played more games for France up to under 21 level than he has for us -- I fail to see how a young player can be judged on only 12 games.
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Post by Cindy Blue on Jun 19, 2017 14:33:13 GMT
Been told tonight he is back and reported for tests at Sparrows Lane last week. He is of course one of a few players that KR is yet to see play so the question is this. Is he good enough for L1 and could potentially step up to the plate to save us a few bob? My answer is on his 2015 Sporting Lisbon form, yes, but on his previous Charlton form and Red Star performances last season ...No. If KR thinks he is good enough then fine. I thought he was ok, except every game he would make one mistake, but it was always a critical mistake. I don't think the Nabby Sarr song helped him.
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Post by mersthamred on Jun 19, 2017 16:18:41 GMT
If he can't revive his career at League One level then he must be bad...
But I think it more likely that he could reboot his career and he did score against Palace so give him another chance. Reza was in that same relegation squad and now look at him.
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Post by divot on Jun 19, 2017 16:56:28 GMT
Sarr had some faults but also had some attributes that could see him develop into a good player. He's still young and pretty inexperienced.
Putting aside issues of concentration, I think he could easily be coached out of the foreign habit of trying to block shots/crosses with hands behind back. All the time the hands are behind the back, the defender isn't going the extra mile to throw himself in front (John Tery style). He did do one amazing block at the away end in a home game I recall, so it can be done.
I would work on his heading and desire to attack the ball (in defensive situations). And when I say work, I mean, hour after hour after hour. He's a really big bloke and that's the one thing he could be unbeatable at, if he worked hard enough.
Can he speak English? (I don't know) and can he communicate well enough with defensive team-mates? If not, improve that.....it will help in many many ways. Playing with someone vocal and demanding like Jason Pearce would do him a lot of good. He played with Bauer and Diarra and neither of those appeared too vocal or demanding.
I thought his left foot was excellent. His passing out to his left midfielder was generally spot on and he could hit a Llera-style crossfield ball.
He scored a couple of headed goals....one of which was pretty unstoppable at Palace.
I think there is a player there but ultimately it comes down to whether the Manager wants to take the risk of having him around while he tries to bring him up to speed. Or does Karl only develop young UK/Irish talent?
We shall see.....
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Post by jonkool on Jun 19, 2017 20:58:21 GMT
Sarr had some faults but also had some attributes that could see him develop into a good player. He's still young and pretty inexperienced. Putting aside issues of concentration, I think he could easily be coached out of the foreign habit of trying to block shots/crosses with hands behind back. All the time the hands are behind the back, the defender isn't going the extra mile to throw himself in front (John Tery style). He did do one amazing block at the away end in a home game I recall, so it can be done. I would work on his heading and desire to attack the ball (in defensive situations). And when I say work, I mean, hour after hour after hour. He's a really big bloke and that's the one thing he could be unbeatable at, if he worked hard enough. Can he speak English? (I don't know) and can he communicate well enough with defensive team-mates? If not, improve that.....it will help in many many ways. Playing with someone vocal and demanding like Jason Pearce would do him a lot of good. He played with Bauer and Diarra and neither of those appeared too vocal or demanding. I thought his left foot was excellent. His passing out to his left midfielder was generally spot on and he could hit a Llera-style crossfield ball. He scored a couple of headed goals....one of which was pretty unstoppable at Palace. I think there is a player there but ultimately it comes down to whether the Manager wants to take the risk of having him around while he tries to bring him up to speed. Or does Karl only develop young UK/Irish talent? We shall see..... We shall see indeed and that's the fun of the fair which is pre - season
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Post by webbo on Jun 19, 2017 21:18:02 GMT
Sarr has physical qualities, but he seems to lack football nous. If I had to utilise him, then in training it would be endless repetitions so that he avoids thinking as much as possible in games, but is able to more or less do the right thing in more or less every situation. You let the other players do the flexible improvisational stuff.
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Post by stevebrown on Jun 19, 2017 22:30:13 GMT
The vast majority thought Sarr wasn't good enough. If Charlton are trying to move on from past mistakes, you don't bring them back to play. Bring him back for fitness checks of course, he's "our" player. But then try and move him to a more suitable club.
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Post by steve1955 on Jun 20, 2017 7:17:19 GMT
We all have our opinion of Sarr but the only opinion that really counts is Robinson's . If after watching him train over the next few weeks Robinson decides to keep him in the squad we should get behind him and give him a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 9:27:26 GMT
We all have our opinion of Sarr but the only opinion that really counts is Robinson's . If after watching him train over the next few weeks Robinson decides to keep him in the squad we should get behind him and give him a chance. I fully agree steve1955 as long as the decision to keep Naby Sarr in the squad is Robinson's alone. If KR is lumbered with Sarr when he does not really want him, I would not expect our manager to just come out and say that. He would more likely put on a brave face and get on with the job. But we cannot be having any of that sort of nonsense this season. Every player in our 2017-18 squad must be there because Karl Robinson wants him there. No compromises, no putting up with decisions taken at a higher level.
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Post by Cindy Blue on Jun 20, 2017 9:47:24 GMT
We all have our opinion of Sarr but the only opinion that really counts is Robinson's . If after watching him train over the next few weeks Robinson decides to keep him in the squad we should get behind him and give him a chance. I fully agree steve1955 as long as the decision to keep Naby Sarr in the squad is Robinson's alone. If KR is lumbered with Sarr when he does not really want him, I would not expect our manager to just come out and say that. He would more likely put on a brave face and get on with the job. But we cannot be having any of that sort of nonsense this season. Every player in our 2017-18 squad must be there because Karl Robinson wants him there. No compromises, no putting up with decisions taken at a higher level. The only point I would take issue with is that KT may be lumbered with players through the mistakes of the past, ie players like Sarr and Tex brought in on expensive contracts who we cannot get rid of. In which case we can't really bring in the replacements that KR would like. There could be an argument that it was not KRs mistake therefore he should not be responsible for it, but we also want a club that is run on a sound financial footing.
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Post by jonkool on Jun 20, 2017 12:17:57 GMT
It is my instinct that KR will take whatever steps is necessary to get duds out on loan but equally those without a current loan deal will be part of pre-season and will need to demonstrate to the gaffer that they are worthy of retention for the forthcoming season. it will be interesting to see which (if any) unlikely faces will be playing in red come August
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 21:16:57 GMT
We currently have six CBs which is probably two too many even given that last year we had similar and found ourselves short for a game or two. Sarr and Tex seem favourite to go if we can shift their wages.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 13:45:44 GMT
We currently have six CBs which is probably two too many even given that last year we had similar and found ourselves short for a game or two. Sarr and Tex seem favourite to go if we can shift their wages. Lennon, still struggling with injury?.
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Post by stevebrown on Jul 1, 2017 14:12:36 GMT
We currently have six CBs which is probably two too many even given that last year we had similar and found ourselves short for a game or two. Sarr and Tex seem favourite to go if we can shift their wages. Lennon, still struggling with injury?. He should be back training soon, after an operation at the end of March. www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-FBl3mM7ts
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 26, 2017 17:58:06 GMT
Totally wrong call from Robinson tonight.
He clearly see's Konsa as a midfielder yet the minute one of our centre backs is injured he automatically gets reverted back to a CB ahead of Nabby Sarr who has done more than enough in the games he has played this season to warrant a start.
He is a better defender in my opinion and most definitely more of a goal threat than Konsa is.
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Post by bexleyboy on Sept 26, 2017 18:11:30 GMT
But Konsa next in line and is a centre back so right call .. but would have liked to see Sarr
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 26, 2017 18:31:54 GMT
Sarr is on the bench. So he might come on freeing up Konsa to take over from Solly or play CDM. Similarly Dijksteel on the bench and he too can play right back or CDM if for instance Kashi knackered or JFC needs to push forwards.
We have options and our players are decent for this level. There's no Dodoo, KAG or JJ in the starting XI despite the injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 18:36:29 GMT
Sarr is on the bench. So he might come on freeing up Konsa to take over from Solly or play CDM. Similarly Dijksteel on the bench and he too can play right back or CDM if for instance Kashi knackered or JFC needs to push forwards. We have options and our players are decent for this level. There's no Dodoo, KAG or JJ in the starting XI despite the injuries. #paperthin
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Post by bexleyboy on Sept 30, 2017 16:03:11 GMT
Hope there a lot of people tonight holding their heads in shame and eatiing their words the abuse he got because he was signed by RD was pathetic by pathetic people ..
Today against a tough side he was superb ... and deserves all the praise that I hope he gets .... I know Fosu will get MOM but my MOM would be Sarr well done ....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 16:05:36 GMT
Yes well done the lad pleased for him he went away a boy and has come back a man .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 16:07:31 GMT
Hope there a lot of people tonight holding their heads in shame and eatiing their words the abuse he got because he was signed by RD was pathetic by pathetic people .. Today against a tough side he was superb ... and deserves all the praise that I hope he gets .... I know Fosu will get MOM but my MOM would be Sarr well done .... [br He was a strolling maestro...did not raise a sweat. Well done Naby Sarr.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 16:11:52 GMT
Hope there a lot of people tonight holding their heads in shame and eatiing their words the abuse he got because he was signed by RD was pathetic by pathetic people .. Today against a tough side he was superb ... and deserves all the praise that I hope he gets .... I know Fosu will get MOM but my MOM would be Sarr well done .... Superb.. He did not raise a sweat... I'm so pleased for him. Well done Naby Sarr!.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 16:25:40 GMT
Been impressed in all the matches I have seen him play, great that he has been given the chance, shame it was due to the injury to Pearce.
Adds height as well.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 30, 2017 17:09:11 GMT
Hope there a lot of people tonight holding their heads in shame and eatiing their words the abuse he got because he was signed by RD was pathetic by pathetic people .. Today against a tough side he was superb ... and deserves all the praise that I hope he gets .... I know Fosu will get MOM but my MOM would be Sarr well done .... Great performance, should be the first name on the team sheet in terms of our back four.
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