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Post by squareball on Nov 12, 2016 14:49:18 GMT
Rubbish and on telly too. No midfield to speak of. Way too slow and all too defensive. Let us hope it is sorted in January.
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 12, 2016 15:08:57 GMT
This is where we need a Chairman that cares about results because it should NOT be underestimated just how bad a performance that was.
Slade had his best players missing but that should not be an excuse for what was without doubt the worst performance by any side I have seen in a televised game anywhere in England this season.
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Post by coloradocafc on Nov 12, 2016 15:24:48 GMT
This is where we need a Chairman that cares about results because it should NOT be underestimated just how bad a performance that was. Slade had his best players missing but that should not be an excuse for what was without doubt the worst performance by any side I have seen in a televised game anywhere in England this season. It's a game in which one wouldn't be too surprised to lose, given the circumstances, but the inability to compete was shocking.
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Post by mistertc73 on Nov 12, 2016 16:27:25 GMT
i have said before that charlton is a totally worthless team with a bunch of totally incompetent idiots, but now that i have seen them actually play as it was televised i have to say that that statement is not entirely correct, that statement is by very far to positive about this team and the players individually because actually there do not exist words bad enough nor will there ever do in the future to describe how extremely bad and poor this charlton side is
they should not play on the 3th tier of england but rather on the third tier of andorra or gibraltar or likewise competitions, if of course even that level would not be to high for this team and players
i can say with a billion percent certainty and even much much more that it will be league 2 next season, which is a very very very sad thing but there is not much that can be done about it unless a whole lot of new players come in during the mid-season transfer window
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Post by whyme on Nov 12, 2016 18:05:08 GMT
It's painfull to watch mate. We all love this club but that side did look shocking. It's got no one holding the side together and pumping the team up. Every team needs a player you build a team around. We have nobody. Just a bunch of shire players with no urgency or flare... they look really really bad. Sunday league standard almost
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Post by DFT on Nov 12, 2016 19:28:47 GMT
Slade knew he would be short of 3 players weeks ago so he should have had a Plan B in place.
The man is clueless, we had no midfield and worst of all the defence were shocking today.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Nov 13, 2016 10:31:10 GMT
We had trouble getting past their front 2 ffs The most 'creative' play was going backwards to avoid pressure. I'm not as prejudiced against the long ball as most, but it has to be done as part of a coherent plan. You need a proper target man, hold up play, men moving forward, etc. Today's efforts to move the ball forward were essentially always to relieve pressure. I have rarely seen a team play so incoherently as the one I watched today. Unfortunately he was getting plaudits playing for Northern Ireland. As soon as I saw the team I was saying to myself that 0-0 is the best we will get here. But we needed to defend well and only Ulvested and Bauer came away with any plaudits in my view. This showed up the squad to be incredibly unbalanced - three centre backs on the bench ffs. The regime have made big changes, but January will really tell us their intentions.
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Post by AndyAddick on Nov 13, 2016 10:40:21 GMT
The most 'creative' play was going backwards to avoid pressure. I'm not as prejudiced against the long ball as most, but it has to be done as part of a coherent plan. You need a proper target man, hold up play, men moving forward, etc. Today's efforts to move the ball forward were essentially always to relieve pressure. I have rarely seen a team play so incoherently as the one I watched today. Unfortunately he was getting plaudits playing for Northern Ireland. As soon as I saw the team I was saying to myself that 0-0 is the best we will get here. But we needed to defend well and only Ulvested and Bauer came away with any plaudits in my view. This showed up the squad to be incredibly unbalanced - three centre backs on the bench ffs. The regime have made big changes, but January will really tell us their intentions. Come 1st Feb the squad will be devoid of any talent , predict the 2 you mention plus Holmes & lookman gone maybe 3 L3 players in or 2 championship non stRter loans in
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Post by DFT on Nov 13, 2016 11:08:54 GMT
When will Slade realise that Teixeira is the best option?
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Post by AndyAddick on Nov 13, 2016 11:33:50 GMT
When will Slade realise that Teixeira is the best option? He must be on appearance bonuses? KM blocking him playing ??
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Post by canterburyaddick on Nov 13, 2016 11:42:41 GMT
Generally I am OK with a Bauer/Pierce central defence pairing. OK Pierce cocked up for goal 2, but we are kidding ourselves if we think that putting Tex in will solve anything. Personally it's a red herring and midfield and full back are where our problems lie. It was an opportunity to see whether our full backs could cut it yesterday from an attacking perspective and much as I rate CS as a defender, he was needed as an overlapping wide player yesterday and clearly can't do it any more. Fox has never fulfilled that roll well.
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Post by jonkool on Nov 13, 2016 12:00:29 GMT
Generally I am OK with a Bauer/Pierce central defence pairing. OK Pierce cocked up for goal 2, but we are kidding ourselves if we think that putting Tex in will solve anything. Personally it's a red herring and midfield and full back are where our problems lie. It was an opportunity to see whether our full backs could cut it yesterday from an attacking perspective and much as I rate CS as a defender, he was needed as an overlapping wide player yesterday and clearly can't do it any more. Fox has never fulfilled that roll well. Sadly you are spot on with your comments about our fullbacks! Maybe young Konsha is an answer?
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Post by Mundell on Nov 13, 2016 12:04:03 GMT
Didn't get to watch the game yesterday, but have now sat through the recording. Not sure why I bothered.
The difference between the two sides can be summed up in two words. Energy and movement. They had both, we had neither. Unfortunately, this isn't new. Week in week out we've been static and lacking in creativity and fluidity. In truth, the weaknesses in the core of the side have been disguised by the energy and directness of Ricky Holmes, the pace and power of Josh Magennis and the mercurial brilliance of Ademola Lookman. The inadequacy of the rest of the squad was cruelly exposed by their absence yesterday. It was also unfortunate that Jordan Botaka, the one squad player who might have injected a bit of pace into the mix, was also missing.
The optimist in me (though I'm being very optimistic here) says that Sky Sports may have done us a favour yesterday. The pathetic showing laid bare the squad's weaknesses so clearly that Russell Slade can no longer deny it or Katrien Meire fail to notice. I said I was being optimistic.
A few random observations, though this is probably more me venting than saying anything coherent.
1. The poster child for our lack of movement, once again, was Johnnie Jackson. I was very surprised he was awarded a two-year deal at the end of the 2013-14 season and he's gone backwards since. He appears to lose every one-to-one. Limited isn't the word. It's not constructive to have a go at individual players, but even Jacko must be embarrassed by his contribution. That said, the Football League Paper gave him a '6', the highest score along with Lee Novak, so it's possible I just don't get it.
2. I recall saying after last season's defeat at Reading (a one-nil defeat which could have been six or seven) that one of our biggest problems is at full back. It still is. In the modern game the contribution of full backs in possession is often more important than what they do out of possession. They need to be involved in the build up, link play and provide pace, energy and width. Furlong and Ormonde-Ottewill did this for Swindon yesterday, but Solly and Fox did not. That's not a flattering comparison. The Swindon pair are not Walker and Rose.
3. Rightly or wrongly, I've always felt that Chris Solly was much overrated by our own fans, but even on the basis of my low bar his performances have been disappointing this season. He now looks no more than an average League One full back. Russell Slade appears to be the ultra conservative. I suspect that a more adventurous manager might have given Ezri Konsa a run at right back. It's not obvious what the downside would be.
4. Slade had a problem yesterday, but got nowhere near to solving it. His choice of system was a shocker. It's not at all clear how he expected it to work with the players available and, if anything, the 'diamond' he chose to use in the first half played more to our weaknesses than our strengths. At least he recognised the problem at half-time.
5. Slade is going to have to take some more risks. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but why didn't Adam Chicksen start yesterday? Wasn't he the obvious choice for the left hand side of a middle four or five? Why was he signed if he's not good enough to start in yesterday's shambles?
6. I think we all know that the Board is clueless, but there is something even more alarming. I fear that having failed last season the plan this summer was to 'give the fans what they want'. This appears to have been interpreted as 'English players with experience of League One'. How naive can you get? It was not without irony that Swindon's best player yesterday, Johnny Goddard, was signed from non League Woking in the summer, having never previously played League football. A classic Moneyball signing. Are we sure Cristian Ceballos wouldn't have made difference yesterday? Where the hell is El Hadji Ba?
Rant over. We're still 'only' five points from the play-offs so we can all live in hope, but there can be no doubt that we're not good enough. Nor have we been improving. That's an illusion of randomness. Roll on January. Fourth time lucky? I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 13, 2016 12:21:09 GMT
i have said before that charlton is a totally worthless team with a bunch of totally incompetent idiots, but now that i have seen them actually play as it was televised i have to say that that statement is not entirely correct, that statement is by very far to positive about this team and the players individually because actually there do not exist words bad enough nor will there ever do in the future to describe how extremely bad and poor this charlton side is they should not play on the 3th tier of england but rather on the third tier of andorra or gibraltar or likewise competitions, if of course even that level would not be to high for this team and players i can say with a billion percent certainty and even much much more that it will be league 2 next season, which is a very very very sad thing but there is not much that can be done about it unless a whole lot of new players come in during the mid-season transfer window Just to preface my reply, nothing about yesterday was acceptable. However, we didn't see you on here when we beat Scunthorpe in the cup nor any of the other recent wins. So can we expect you to be back next week should we win versus Port Vale? It was shockingly yesterday but we were unbeaten in five before today. A win next week can take us back to the top half of the table. The gap to the top six can be maintained at five points until January when the squad can be strenghthened. All can and might but no reason to throw in the towell... unless of course some believe that failure on the pitch will lead to a toxic atmosphere and to RD selling up at a loss? No, next week we will have Botaka, Maguennis and Lookman back and possibly Holmes so no more Jackson, Crofts and Foley in midfield.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 13, 2016 12:24:26 GMT
The optimist in me (though I'm being very optimistic here) says that Sky Sports may have done us a favour yesterday. The pathetic showing laid bare the squad's weaknesses so clearly that Russell Slade can no longer deny it or Katrien Meire fail to notice. I said I was being optimistic. I agree Sky may have done us a favour - the board cannot be in denial as to what is needed in January. If RD wants to salvage his investment then he had better sort it out.
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Post by Mundell on Nov 13, 2016 12:31:33 GMT
No, next week we will have Botaka, Maguennis and Lookman back and possibly Holmes so no more Jackson, Crofts and Foley in midfield. Andrew Crofts will play. No comparison between him and the other two.
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Post by RedHood on Nov 13, 2016 13:15:13 GMT
Didn't get to watch the game yesterday, but have now sat through the recording. Not sure why I bothered. The difference between the two sides can be summed up in two words. Energy and movement. They had both, we had neither. Unfortunately, this isn't new. Week in week out we've been static and lacking in creativity and fluidity. In truth, the weaknesses in the core of the side have been disguised by the energy and directness of Ricky Holmes, the pace and power of Josh Magennis and the mercurial brilliance of Ademola Lookman. The inadequacy of the rest of the squad was cruelly exposed by their absence yesterday. It was also unfortunate that Jordan Botaka, the one squad player who might have injected a bit of pace into the mix, was also missing. The optimist in me (though I'm being very optimistic here) says that Sky Sports may have done us a favour yesterday. The pathetic showing laid bare the squad's weaknesses so clearly that Russell Slade can no longer deny it or Katrien Meire fail to notice. I said I was being optimistic. A few random observations, though this is probably more me venting than saying anything coherent. 1. The poster child for our lack of movement, once again, was Johnnie Jackson. I was very surprised he was awarded a two-year deal at the end of the 2013-14 season and he's gone backwards since. He appears to lose every one-to-one. Limited isn't the word. It's not constructive to have a go at individual players, but even Jacko must be embarrassed by his contribution. That said, the Football League Paper gave him a '6', the highest score along with Lee Novak, so it's possible I just don't get it. 2. I recall saying after last season's defeat at Reading (a one-nil defeat which could have been six or seven) that one of our biggest problems is at full back. It still is. In the modern game the contribution of full backs in possession is often more important than what they do out of possession. They need to be involved in the build up, link play and provide pace, energy and width. Furlong and Ormonde-Ottewill did this for Swindon yesterday, but Solly and Fox did not. That's not a flattering comparison. The Swindon pair are not Walker and Rose. 3. Rightly or wrongly, I've always felt that Chris Solly was much overrated by our own fans, but even on the basis of my low bar his performances have been disappointing this season. He now looks no more than an average League One full back. Russell Slade appears to be the ultra conservative. I suspect that a more adventurous manager might have given Ezri Konsa a run at right back. It's not obvious what the downside would be. 4. Slade had a problem yesterday, but got nowhere near to solving it. His choice of system was a shocker. It's not at all clear how he expected it to work with the players available and, if anything, the 'diamond' he chose to use in the first half played more to our weaknesses than our strengths. At least he recognised the problem at half-time. 5. Slade is going to have to take some more risks. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but why didn't Adam Chicksen start yesterday? Wasn't he the obvious choice for the left hand side of a middle four or five? Why was he signed if he's not good enough to start in yesterday's shambles? 6. I think we all know that the Board is clueless, but there is something even more alarming. I fear that having failed last season the plan this summer was to 'give the fans what they want'. This appears to have been interpreted as 'English players with experience of League One'. How naive can you get? It was not without irony that Swindon's best player yesterday, Johnny Goddard, was signed from non League Woking in the summer, having never previously played League football. A classic Moneyball signing. Are we sure Cristian Ceballos wouldn't have made difference yesterday? Where the hell is El Hadji Ba? Rant over. We're still 'only' five points from the play-offs so we can all live in hope, but there can be no doubt that we're not good enough. Nor have we been improving. That's an illusion of randomness. Roll on January. Fourth time lucky? I'm not holding my breath. Fantastic summary there Mundell, as ever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 13:27:57 GMT
Didn't get to watch the game yesterday, but have now sat through the recording. Not sure why I bothered. The difference between the two sides can be summed up in two words. Energy and movement. They had both, we had neither. Unfortunately, this isn't new. Week in week out we've been static and lacking in creativity and fluidity. In truth, the weaknesses in the core of the side have been disguised by the energy and directness of Ricky Holmes, the pace and power of Josh Magennis and the mercurial brilliance of Ademola Lookman. The inadequacy of the rest of the squad was cruelly exposed by their absence yesterday. It was also unfortunate that Jordan Botaka, the one squad player who might have injected a bit of pace into the mix, was also missing. The optimist in me (though I'm being very optimistic here) says that Sky Sports may have done us a favour yesterday. The pathetic showing laid bare the squad's weaknesses so clearly that Russell Slade can no longer deny it or Katrien Meire fail to notice. I said I was being optimistic. A few random observations, though this is probably more me venting than saying anything coherent. 1. The poster child for our lack of movement, once again, was Johnnie Jackson. I was very surprised he was awarded a two-year deal at the end of the 2013-14 season and he's gone backwards since. He appears to lose every one-to-one. Limited isn't the word. It's not constructive to have a go at individual players, but even Jacko must be embarrassed by his contribution. That said, the Football League Paper gave him a '6', the highest score along with Lee Novak, so it's possible I just don't get it. 2. I recall saying after last season's defeat at Reading (a one-nil defeat which could have been six or seven) that one of our biggest problems is at full back. It still is. In the modern game the contribution of full backs in possession is often more important than what they do out of possession. They need to be involved in the build up, link play and provide pace, energy and width. Furlong and Ormonde-Ottewill did this for Swindon yesterday, but Solly and Fox did not. That's not a flattering comparison. The Swindon pair are not Walker and Rose. 3. Rightly or wrongly, I've always felt that Chris Solly was much overrated by our own fans, but even on the basis of my low bar his performances have been disappointing this season. He now looks no more than an average League One full back. Russell Slade appears to be the ultra conservative. I suspect that a more adventurous manager might have given Ezri Konsa a run at right back. It's not obvious what the downside would be. 4. Slade had a problem yesterday, but got nowhere near to solving it. His choice of system was a shocker. It's not at all clear how he expected it to work with the players available and, if anything, the 'diamond' he chose to use in the first half played more to our weaknesses than our strengths. At least he recognised the problem at half-time. 5. Slade is going to have to take some more risks. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but why didn't Adam Chicksen start yesterday? Wasn't he the obvious choice for the left hand side of a middle four or five? Why was he signed if he's not good enough to start in yesterday's shambles? 6. I think we all know that the Board is clueless, but there is something even more alarming. I fear that having failed last season the plan this summer was to 'give the fans what they want'. This appears to have been interpreted as 'English players with experience of League One'. How naive can you get? It was not without irony that Swindon's best player yesterday, Johnny Goddard, was signed from non League Woking in the summer, having never previously played League football. A classic Moneyball signing. Are we sure Cristian Ceballos wouldn't have made difference yesterday? Where the hell is El Hadji Ba? Rant over. We're still 'only' five points from the play-offs so we can all live in hope, but there can be no doubt that we're not good enough. Nor have we been improving. That's an illusion of randomness. Roll on January. Fourth time lucky? I'm not holding my breath. Pretty good summary that. On point 6, the board, loosely speaking, know there would have been uproar had a Lithuanian ninth division coach with players of the similar calibre recruited so they bowed to the fans and appointed British players and staff, naively thinking it would solve all the problems. I don't think they anticipated the protests to continue this season. The network could have worked. Maintain a core spine of experienced players and sprinkle some European flair on top. Instead, they overhauled the whole squad thinking it would work. They got rid of most of them in the summer and I have no doubt Teixera is not to be selected. Bauer is playing so so should he. Ba too.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Nov 13, 2016 13:33:49 GMT
Didn't get to watch the game yesterday, but have now sat through the recording. Not sure why I bothered. The difference between the two sides can be summed up in two words. Energy and movement. They had both, we had neither. Unfortunately, this isn't new. Week in week out we've been static and lacking in creativity and fluidity. In truth, the weaknesses in the core of the side have been disguised by the energy and directness of Ricky Holmes, the pace and power of Josh Magennis and the mercurial brilliance of Ademola Lookman. The inadequacy of the rest of the squad was cruelly exposed by their absence yesterday. It was also unfortunate that Jordan Botaka, the one squad player who might have injected a bit of pace into the mix, was also missing. The optimist in me (though I'm being very optimistic here) says that Sky Sports may have done us a favour yesterday. The pathetic showing laid bare the squad's weaknesses so clearly that Russell Slade can no longer deny it or Katrien Meire fail to notice. I said I was being optimistic. A few random observations, though this is probably more me venting than saying anything coherent. 1. The poster child for our lack of movement, once again, was Johnnie Jackson. I was very surprised he was awarded a two-year deal at the end of the 2013-14 season and he's gone backwards since. He appears to lose every one-to-one. Limited isn't the word. It's not constructive to have a go at individual players, but even Jacko must be embarrassed by his contribution. That said, the Football League Paper gave him a '6', the highest score along with Lee Novak, so it's possible I just don't get it. 2. I recall saying after last season's defeat at Reading (a one-nil defeat which could have been six or seven) that one of our biggest problems is at full back. It still is. In the modern game the contribution of full backs in possession is often more important than what they do out of possession. They need to be involved in the build up, link play and provide pace, energy and width. Furlong and Ormonde-Ottewill did this for Swindon yesterday, but Solly and Fox did not. That's not a flattering comparison. The Swindon pair are not Walker and Rose. 3. Rightly or wrongly, I've always felt that Chris Solly was much overrated by our own fans, but even on the basis of my low bar his performances have been disappointing this season. He now looks no more than an average League One full back. Russell Slade appears to be the ultra conservative. I suspect that a more adventurous manager might have given Ezri Konsa a run at right back. It's not obvious what the downside would be. 4. Slade had a problem yesterday, but got nowhere near to solving it. His choice of system was a shocker. It's not at all clear how he expected it to work with the players available and, if anything, the 'diamond' he chose to use in the first half played more to our weaknesses than our strengths. At least he recognised the problem at half-time. 5. Slade is going to have to take some more risks. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but why didn't Adam Chicksen start yesterday? Wasn't he the obvious choice for the left hand side of a middle four or five? Why was he signed if he's not good enough to start in yesterday's shambles? 6. I think we all know that the Board is clueless, but there is something even more alarming. I fear that having failed last season the plan this summer was to 'give the fans what they want'. This appears to have been interpreted as 'English players with experience of League One'. How naive can you get? It was not without irony that Swindon's best player yesterday, Johnny Goddard, was signed from non League Woking in the summer, having never previously played League football. A classic Moneyball signing. Are we sure Cristian Ceballos wouldn't have made difference yesterday? Where the hell is El Hadji Ba? Rant over. We're still 'only' five points from the play-offs so we can all live in hope, but there can be no doubt that we're not good enough. Nor have we been improving. That's an illusion of randomness. Roll on January. Fourth time lucky? I'm not holding my breath. Fantastic summary there Mundell, as ever. Pretty well on the button and what I would like to have said if I could type fast enough or commit the time! We need to have some feedback on players like Ba, who has the ability at this level surely.
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Post by fatscholes on Nov 14, 2016 13:57:00 GMT
first time this season we have looked totally devoid of ideas, plus the size of the squad looked fragile. Listen, first result where we have been blitzed this season. Need a reaction. But it does affirm the size of the squad will impact us negatively this season if not improved on.
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Post by mistertc73 on Nov 15, 2016 9:00:00 GMT
i have said before that charlton is a totally worthless team with a bunch of totally incompetent idiots, but now that i have seen them actually play as it was televised i have to say that that statement is not entirely correct, that statement is by very far to positive about this team and the players individually because actually there do not exist words bad enough nor will there ever do in the future to describe how extremely bad and poor this charlton side is they should not play on the 3th tier of england but rather on the third tier of andorra or gibraltar or likewise competitions, if of course even that level would not be to high for this team and players i can say with a billion percent certainty and even much much more that it will be league 2 next season, which is a very very very sad thing but there is not much that can be done about it unless a whole lot of new players come in during the mid-season transfer window Just to preface my reply, nothing about yesterday was acceptable. However, we didn't see you on here when we beat Scunthorpe in the cup nor any of the other recent wins. So can we expect you to be back next week should we win versus Port Vale? It was shockingly yesterday but we were unbeaten in five before today. A win next week can take us back to the top half of the table. The gap to the top six can be maintained at five points until January when the squad can be strenghthened. All can and might but no reason to throw in the towell... unless of course some believe that failure on the pitch will lead to a toxic atmosphere and to RD selling up at a loss? No, next week we will have Botaka, Maguennis and Lookman back and possibly Holmes so no more Jackson, Crofts and Foley in midfield. it was a rare occasional great performance against scunthorpe for sure, but that match is not helping for the competition itself now, does it ?, but i was very surprised with that win against the best team in the FA cup or at least the highest ranked team, because normally or almost always charlton is eliminated in cups after their first appearance and are most frequently eliminated against teams of lower divisions for whatever cup they play
good or great cup runs is an unknown thing for charlton except maybe once decades and decades ago when they won the FA cup one time
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