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Post by bigandy99 on Jan 11, 2015 1:31:05 GMT
We will have different views on what "a better" midfield means but,for me, our needs to be more combative, more dominating and more creative...we only really have a goal threat from JBG which is not good enough - we don't support our forwards enough and we greate too few chances - this is where our need of change is the greatest - in my opinion...
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Post by 19addickted96 on Jan 11, 2015 1:38:04 GMT
the midfield is 100% the problem at the moment - there is just a huge void between defence and attack that no one other than the opposition seems to fill ... we need a coquilin type player who can break up the play and be rough but also ping balls across the field to spread play- its all about stretching the opposition to find/make/allow games in their game/defence ; that's where the buyens/Jackson playmaker plays his role by supplying the killer ball! the best example of this was the last few seasons in the premier league when we had Darren Bent. Kish,Hollands or murphy would stretch the opposition midfield and it would simply take one on talal el kahkouri's through balls from defence to set him free - SIMPLE!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 10:06:13 GMT
Someone in the mould of Kinsella or Judas, oops sorry I mean Parker would make a big difference.
Someone driving forward and putting the ball out to the flanks to then sling the ball over, hey presto.
Although I suppose they do not have that type of player in the network so we will just have to wait.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 11, 2015 10:24:34 GMT
Graham Stuart, Mark Kinsella, Claus Jensen and Matt Holland would walk into our squad even now!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 10:56:12 GMT
Graham Stuart, Mark Kinsella, Claus Jensen and Matt Holland would walk into our squad even now! O what a midfield that was a midfield who battled and wore the shirt with pride.
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Post by jonkool on Jan 11, 2015 11:16:59 GMT
It's not just the personell that is the problem. We sit so deep (CP Mk 2) which means that the midfield sits too deep which means that the strikers are isolated.
If we pressed higher up the field we would win more possession in the final 30 yards and improve our shot rate immeasurably!
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Post by squareball on Jan 11, 2015 11:17:50 GMT
The key word there Big Andy is combative. We aren't and they are which is why we usually don't win.
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Post by addick4ever on Jan 11, 2015 12:13:03 GMT
It's not just the personell that is the problem. We sit so deep (CP Mk 2) which means that the midfield sits too deep which means that the strikers are isolated. If we pressed higher up the field we would win more possession in the final 30 yards and improve our shot rate immeasurably! Also our build up play is to slow which allows the opposing side time to get numbers back. When we play quick one touch football as in the second half of the cardiff game for example we are far more dangerous.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jan 11, 2015 14:09:30 GMT
This is where it gets tricky. Yesterday we played in a very structured way in the first half. Let Brighton have the ball in their half and maintained 2 banks of 4. They were the better side, had most of the possession, got between our midfield and defence a few times, but on the whole we dealt with it and they didn't look that dangerous. But we were ponderous going forward. 0-0 at HT. 2nd half we pressed further forward had most of the game and chances and played some decent football. But we looked shaky when they broke 0-1 FT. Who would be a manager? As we know we are some players short. Positives Cousins and Watt's debut.
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Post by muttleycafc on Jan 11, 2015 17:28:27 GMT
I do think Midfield is a big part of the problem, but Cousins is also part of the solution. He was best player on the pitch yesterday by some distance.
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Post by bigandy99 on Jan 25, 2015 9:06:57 GMT
Thought it was worth revisiting this...Watford score 12 in two games by getting on the front foot and making things happen - nothing more than that. We,simply, struggle to find a through ball of any note. Solve this, and an improvement is not too far away.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jan 25, 2015 10:07:41 GMT
Brentford were mentioned in the same light yesterday and look where they are. But at the same time it means having some pace in the middle and a JJ/Buyens combination ain't gonna do it. It sounded as if Buyens was playing further forward when he could yesterday. Elfsborg may be able to confirm that as he went.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 10:14:36 GMT
Brentford were mentioned in the same light yesterday and look where they are. But at the same time it means having some pace in the middle and a JJ/Buyens combination ain't gonna do it. It sounded as if Buyens was playing further forward when he could yesterday. Elfsborg may be able to confirm that as he went. Buyens had a good game yesterday, pushing forward a bit more. So far I have likened him to Ray 'The Crab' Wilkins. Buyens is not the answer though, we need somebody with a bit more bite. I still wish that Gudmundsson would play on the left with Cousins central midfield.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jan 25, 2015 10:48:03 GMT
You and me both
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 25, 2015 11:31:28 GMT
Peeters played Buyens to deep, he is a better player than the one we saw when advanced further up the field.
I am not saying he is the answer but it's an improvement but we do need a penetrative player who has vision and enterprise, oh and who can run at defenders and let one go from 25 yards.
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Post by fatscholes on Jan 25, 2015 11:35:51 GMT
I always think the solution is Cousins in the middle. His energy and box to box ability would help provide a solution to the question of our midfield. The problem is our wingers, outside of JG. We do not have any depth. I would actually like to see 2 strong wing performers coming into the squad. Proven quality which will free up JG to roam if needed but always provide strength in the squad.
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Post by sittingbournecafc on Jan 25, 2015 12:39:55 GMT
Ah they was the good old days. I remember seeing everyone of those goals bar the one at man city. We just need a creative midfield player. Someone who will control the centre of the pitch and will hold the ball up.and make that killer pass.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jan 25, 2015 13:55:28 GMT
You have to play Cousins in the centre of midfield for me. He's energetic, tidy on the ball, can pass and tackle. I'd happily have him as the holding player in the middle.
I think we've been crying out for an Andy Reid type player who can play further forward, look to get on the ball, get his head up and play an incisive pass. Neither Jacko nor Buyens have shown this quality for me, but maybe the latter could impact the game if played further forward.
Usually I advocate playing left footers on the left, but in the case of JBG he seems far more comfortable drifting off the right and unleashing a shot. That shouldn't be a problem if Solly / Gomez can provide the width down that wing.
Over on the left is more troublesome. I still think Bulot could offer something and I wouldn't completely disregard Harriott yet (although I am losing patience with him), but ideally I'd like to see us strengthen this area during the window.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 14:27:41 GMT
You have to play Cousins in the centre of midfield for me. He's energetic, tidy on the ball, can pass and tackle. I'd happily have him as the holding player in the middle. I think we've been crying out for an Andy Reid type player who can play further forward, look to get on the ball, get his head up and play an incisive pass. Neither Jacko nor Buyens have shown this quality for me, but maybe the latter could impact the game if played further forward. Usually I advocate playing left footers on the left, but in the case of JBG he seems far more comfortable drifting off the right and unleashing a shot. That shouldn't be a problem if Solly / Gomez can provide the width down that wing. Over on the left is more troublesome. I still think Bulot could offer something and I wouldn't completely disregard Harriott yet (although I am losing patience with him), but ideally I'd like to see us strengthen this area during the window. Don't forget Moussa ex, I think he and JBG on the wings cutting in on their favoured foot, allowing solly and wiggins to get to the byline is how we should be set up with cousins and buyens in the middle(if no players are brought in).
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jan 25, 2015 14:33:46 GMT
You have to play Cousins in the centre of midfield for me. He's energetic, tidy on the ball, can pass and tackle. I'd happily have him as the holding player in the middle. I think we've been crying out for an Andy Reid type player who can play further forward, look to get on the ball, get his head up and play an incisive pass. Neither Jacko nor Buyens have shown this quality for me, but maybe the latter could impact the game if played further forward. Usually I advocate playing left footers on the left, but in the case of JBG he seems far more comfortable drifting off the right and unleashing a shot. That shouldn't be a problem if Solly / Gomez can provide the width down that wing. Over on the left is more troublesome. I still think Bulot could offer something and I wouldn't completely disregard Harriott yet (although I am losing patience with him), but ideally I'd like to see us strengthen this area during the window. Don't forget Moussa ex, I think he and JBG on the wings cutting in on their favoured foot, allowing solly and wiggins to get to the byline is how we should be set up with cousins and buyens in the middle(if no players are brought in). Fair point Don - I had completely forgotten about Moussa to be honest. Any word on when he's back?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:29:07 GMT
Don't forget Moussa ex, I think he and JBG on the wings cutting in on their favoured foot, allowing solly and wiggins to get to the byline is how we should be set up with cousins and buyens in the middle(if no players are brought in). Fair point Don - I had completely forgotten about Moussa to be honest. Any word on when he's back? He was supposed to be back recently but no sign of him, Reams mentioned he has had a set back, I'm not even sure what he has injured.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 16:00:19 GMT
Moussa Characteristics courtesy of WhoScored.com, where you can find more stats, including live in-game data and unique player and team ratings. Strengths/Weaknesses Aerial Duels - Very Weak Finishing - Weak Passing - Weak Styles Gets fouled often. Often * Strengths, weaknesses and style of play are calculated from player statistics in domestic league games this season and last www1.skysports.com/football/player/3629/franck-moussa
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jan 25, 2015 16:39:26 GMT
undecided about Moussa as he hasn't had any sort of run in the team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 18:03:32 GMT
undecided about Moussa as he hasn't had any sort of run in the team. Certainly has the ability to do well in the championship, and is probably the only player in our squad that will make driving runs from midfield which we desperately lack.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 12:01:53 GMT
The best midfield I ever saw play for us was Kish - Murphy - Smertin. They complemented each other perfectly well. They also had the advantage of a player ahead of them who had all the qualities to play as a lone striker - strength, mobility, link play, good in the air.
We really don't have that luxury, but we do have mobile strikers and a decent holding midfielder could release creative players ahead of him. I thought we were getting there when Coquelin joined, but sadly we lost him and I don't think Bob was ever the type of manager to look to kill teams off through the attack.
The big problem is definitely the lack of chances being created - only 4 shots on target again at the weekend. If we don't create good chances, the strikers need to be demon finishers to get us within a shout of a win.
Seems a long time since we knocked a few in.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jan 26, 2015 20:49:31 GMT
The best midfield I ever saw play for us was Kish - Murphy - Smertin. Smertin remains one of the best players I've ever seen in a red shirt. Absolute class. Such a shame he decided to leave after a short amount of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 8:49:20 GMT
Fair point Don - I had completely forgotten about Moussa to be honest. Any word on when he's back? He was supposed to be back recently but no sign of him, Reams mentioned he has had a set back, I'm not even sure what he has injured. He has got a knee injury. Was back training again but I think he has had a setback.
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 27, 2015 19:33:49 GMT
Kish was someone we should have never let go...like Perry. But that was a Premier midfield!
Ours has been weak for a long time and Poyet/Coquelin showed what we need...
I'm interested to see if Luzon can get something from Bulot? And the arrival of Veljković means Buyens can push up. Let's see how it pans out vs Rotherham.
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