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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 27, 2014 9:50:23 GMT
An interesting visitor at the game on Boxing Day was Jose Riga's former assistant, Karel Freye who is highly thought of and one of his jobs is head of network player recruitment and he was largely responsible for getting Vetokele to The Valley for example.
Interestingly Doctor Kish wrote in his post match article yesterday that when he Freye departed last May he told some fans that he would return as Charlton manager in the not too distant future.
Doctor Kish added:
We exchanged smiles on Saturday, and I welcomed him back.
He grinned broadly, and said, "The bell is ringing for me."
Make of that what you will.
I think it means one of two things.
1) Bob Peeters has not impressed Duchatelet enough
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2) Freye has been brought in to oversee New Players arriving at The Valley. If it is because of this reason though then it surely bombs out of the water what Katrien told Clem on the FLS show recently claiming that Bob Peeters gives the board a list criteria he wants players to meet and they go out and find them.
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Post by bexleyboy on Dec 27, 2014 10:00:27 GMT
and why is that's Reams.....Peeters says what sort of player he wants Kat and the network scouting system set about finding them, all this bloke is part of that system ......again your trying to find a negative when there is not one
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Post by ketts on Dec 27, 2014 10:06:07 GMT
We've won two matches out of the last thirteen Reams, ie in the months of October, November & December we have only beaten Bolton & Reading. No owner is patient these days, least of all RD. It's easier for him to re-jig things than it is for many, he could ship Bob off to St Truiden or somewhere.
Freye's remark last May is probably why CAFC 999 & certainly I have thought Freye will be our next manager. I can't see BP getting a new deal, so the question is, will he see the old one out? Time will tell, but results need to improve fast. I suspect Freye was probably assessing things & reporting back to RD.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 27, 2014 10:32:36 GMT
I don't think he'll get a new deal either Ketts, sadly I have to say that I hope he doesn't anyway purely because of his negative tactics.
Not sure if you saw his post match interview yesterday but he said that he told his players to try and keep the score at 1-0 until ten minutes into the second half then we'll take some risks! Clearly then he see's attacking football as a risk which explains his tendency to start games slowly playing the ball sideways and backwards.
There is no excuse what so ever that the way we played in the second half yesterday cannot be replicated from the very first whistle, no excuse at all.
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Post by muttleycafc on Dec 27, 2014 11:03:11 GMT
Attacking football is a risk, but with 3 points for a win, it is less of a risk than ultra defensive football if you have good players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 11:08:09 GMT
The first half hour was dull stuff from both sides. But once we were down to ten men, keeping the deficit to a single goal until 55-60 mins before going for it was vital and sensible tactics, for the simple reason that ten men could not have maintained that tempo against 11 for much longer than 30-35 mins. In a way it was slightly fortuitous that our goal didn't come until the 88th minute and Cardiff therefore sat back. If the equaliser had come in the 68th or 78th minuite, Cardiff would have been less negative and would have come back at us and may well have got a second.
Most managers with ten men and half an hour to go and only a goal behind would have counselled keeping it tight, soak up the pressure and hope to catch the opposition on the break. Peeters didn't do that but went for a much bolder option that deserved to win us the game.
The tactial ineptitude yesterday came from Slade, who foolishly failed to respond when we went three at the back and Bikey and TBH were bombing up field. And the negativity of Cardiff who tried to waste time and sit on their lead came badly unstuck.
Yesterday's second half found us playing the best football we have played in a very, very long time and led to us scoring Sky's goal of the day and I agree that it would be lovely if we could play like that for 90 mins every single game.
But no team does that. Football is game of ebb and flow and even when Man City or Chelsea are playing against less gifted sides like QPR or Palace, there are periods when the opposition comes back into it and containment is the name of the game.
So yes, let's have a little more enterprise and show a bit more faith in our own attacking abilities, with Gudmundsson in the Frank Lampard role. But replicating how we played in the last 35 mins of the second half yesterday for 90 minutes every game? Now that would be fantasy football!
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Post by ridgeback on Dec 27, 2014 11:29:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 11:47:08 GMT
You are right. But this could now lead to further questions. For example, has he gone their to get more experience? Remember, Karel is thought of very highly by RD and is one of the networks top scouts and was instrumental in bringing in Igor. All of this is guess work by me and I have no inside knowledge
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Post by ridgeback on Dec 27, 2014 12:40:13 GMT
He surely is getting more experience and he is still scouting for the network. I do not know if RD is planning other things for Karel FRAEYE.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 27, 2014 12:54:31 GMT
As I have said before whatever scouting is being done, players have to be pin pointed for Charlton Athletic Football Club alone NOT the network because there is not one player across Duchatelet's entire stable of clubs that would improve us apart from M'Poku at Standard Liege.
Of course this time last year it was different as SL had three or four players that could have improved us immensely but not anymore they have all moved on so we just cannot benefit from taking players from RD's other clubs.
We have to be the top club or the priority club in the network one that new players coming into it arrive at first, the whole thing is flawed otherwise because there are no players in it at teh moment any better than what we already have..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 21:16:07 GMT
You are right. But this could now lead to further questions. For example, has he gone their to get more experience? Remember, Karel is thought of very highly by RD and is one of the networks top scouts and was instrumental in bringing in Igor. All of this is guess work by me and I have no inside knowledge I don't know whether to laugh or cry here. So help me God if they appoint someone who is a boss of team from division three in Belgium. I would seriously consider my attendance at home games if this were to happen. Putting money into Duchatelet's pocket whilst he f**** around with our club will be too much for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 21:36:39 GMT
Try looking at it from a different angle. Fraeye has zero experience as a coach, so why not give some experience at a small club where he cannot do much damage. Now factor in Roland and his knack of doing the opposite to what he should do and hey presto!!
As I said, I am just guessing here but if someone like Tan can change the shirt colours of a club like Cardiff and a certain Leeds Utd owner can get through 20+ managers in a few years, well then nothing is impossible.
We all know it would probably be suicidal to appoint him but RD does not appear to do logical
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 21:50:10 GMT
Try looking at it from a different angle. Fraeye has zero experience as a coach, so why not give some experience at a small club where he cannot do much damage. Now factor in Roland and his knack of doing the opposite to what he should do and hey presto!! As I said, I am just guessing here but if someone like Tan can change the shirt colours of a club like Cardiff and a certain Leeds Utd owner can get through 20+ managers in a few years, well then nothing is impossible. We all know it would probably be suicidal to appoint him but RD does not appear to do logical Fraeye has zero experience as a coach....................enough said.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 21:59:21 GMT
Peeters has only marginally better experience
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 22:21:49 GMT
Peeters has only marginally better experience Exactly, a bit like Riga. The list goes on. Riga or Peeters should not have been appointed but Riga kept us up and should have been given a new contract. That did not happen so along comes Peeters, as much as I am against him being here he should be kept on. You cannot keep changing the manager every bloody year. Duchatelet thought Peeters can do a job so give him time. I'm 49 years of age and p***** off with how football is nowadays, let alone Charlton.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 22:35:15 GMT
I am not advocating a change elfsborg, I am just guessing what could happen.
I wanted Riga as much as the next fan. I also think that Peeters is doing ok but needs to be more attacking because we look pretty good when when the shackles have been released
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 22:39:43 GMT
I am not advocating a change elfsborg, I am just guessing what could happen. I wanted Riga as much as the next fan. I also think that Peeters is doing ok but needs to be more attacking because we look pretty good when when the shackles have been released Nah was not thinking that for a minute Mr 999. Anyway it's been nice 'talking' to you but I'm off to bed. Been at Gunwharf Quays shopping today and just got back shattered. Also explains my torrent of posts so late in the day!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 22:45:23 GMT
No problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 22:45:47 GMT
I am not advocating a change elfsborg, I am just guessing what could happen. I wanted Riga as much as the next fan. I also think that Peeters is doing ok but needs to be more attacking because we look pretty good when when the shackles have been released Nah was not thinking that for a minute Mr 999. Anyway it's been nice 'talking' to you but I'm off to bed. Been at Gunwharf Quays shopping today and just got back shattered. Also explains my torrent of posts so late in the day! Gunwharf quays shopping today?i take my hat off to you mate....more than I could manage!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 8:41:25 GMT
Nah was not thinking that for a minute Mr 999. Anyway it's been nice 'talking' to you but I'm off to bed. Been at Gunwharf Quays shopping today and just got back shattered. Also explains my torrent of posts so late in the day! Gunwharf quays shopping today?i take my hat off to you mate....more than I could manage! £2 return on Megabus trains, and then Timberland jeans at £20. I'll do that no problem.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 28, 2014 12:31:56 GMT
Chris Powell had no experience as a manager but he was given an opportunity in the third tier of English football so why can't Fraye do the same in Belgium?
The question is of course can he make the step up like Powell couldn't which is still being proven at Huddersfield? I say he will because he is tactically more astute and is a chief scout who's ability to pin point players is already held in high regard.
Do not be surprised if Fraye's current scouting expeditions turn out to be more than what we are told they are and what he is actually doing is watching players who he wants to be in HIS Charlton side next season?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 12:43:58 GMT
Chris Powell had no experience as a manager but he was given an opportunity in the third tier of English football so why can't Fraye do the same in Belgium? The question is of course can he make the step up like Powell couldn't which is still being proven at Huddersfield? I say he will because he is tactically more astute and is a chief scout who's ability to pin point players is already held in high regard. Do not be surprised if Fraye's current scouting expeditions turn out to be more than what we are told they are and what he is actually doing is watching players who he wants to be in HIS Charlton side next season? My concern with Fraeye is him having as much experience as Hockaday who took over Leeds, that was not a popular choice and did not work out. People do have to start somewhere and you are right with Powell not having had experience. My whole thinking, rightly or wrongly, is to have people playing/in charge with at least some experience of British football, and at the respective level.
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Post by ketts on Dec 28, 2014 20:00:58 GMT
EA - Fraeye was Riga's assistant of course so is not totally devoid of experience in England.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 20:36:25 GMT
EA - Fraeye was Riga's assistant of course so is not totally devoid of experience in England. Not totally no, but will be VERY upset if he were to get the job.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 28, 2014 21:13:39 GMT
Fraye is not the answer but there again neither is Peeters let's get Tony Pullis in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 21:16:04 GMT
Fraye is not the answer but there again neither is Peeters let's get Tony Pullis in. Perhaps Pullis' welsh can sound like flemish and he can convince them....................will be the only way.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Dec 28, 2014 21:20:15 GMT
Pulis would be superb, but the style of football would be Powell-esque again
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 21:22:37 GMT
Pulis would be superb, but the style of football would be Powell-esque again We are all certain that he would not even be considered, end of.
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Post by ridgeback on Dec 28, 2014 21:29:23 GMT
Take a good sleep and come back to reality tomorrow
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 19:02:34 GMT
Surely we could not afford Pulis?
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