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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 24, 2014 19:58:59 GMT
Never mind the three injured and one suspended player missing tonight that's not what cost us......It was the cover we have for when these situations occur that has done us.
Other teams cope with it but we can't and it's been that way for years, we have a good 11 or 12 but an average squad and it was always going to catch up with us and Duchaelet's ignorance towards it will catch up with him too if he doesn't address the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 20:12:33 GMT
Posted at half time!
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 24, 2014 20:22:07 GMT
Based on what I saw in the first half, you must be watching a different game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 20:45:40 GMT
What are you talking about ? Apart from the first 15 mins, I thought we can be really, really proud of that performance tonight!
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Post by picksy on Oct 24, 2014 20:51:15 GMT
What are you talking about ? Apart from the first 15 mins, I thought we can be really, really proud of that performance tonight! Well said! Excuses are not needed - or relevant. They gave their all right up to the final whistle. Couple of early individual errors but 'Car Crash' it wasn't. |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Oct 24, 2014 20:58:42 GMT
Second half was brilliant,we battered them just didn't have the killer finish and they threw there bodies on the line superbly,we play like that second half majority of games from now and we win a lot of the time.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 24, 2014 21:03:39 GMT
It was written at half time so for the benefit of those who either can't or refuse to understand it was obviously based on the first half performance.
I'll leave you guys to wallow in an improved second half performance that resulted in very little in terms of attempts on goal. I feel confident that if I were to carry on typing until this time tomorrow it would still be Charlton ....nil!!
Very little to take out of the game in my opinion, missing Vetokele was huge for us but when we leave ourselves with just Tucadean as an option then sorry but we deserve all we get.
Apologies for not being so easily pleased.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 24, 2014 21:04:16 GMT
Second half was brilliant,we battered them just didn't have the killer finish and they threw there bodies on the line superbly,we play like that second half majority of games from now and we win a lot of the time. Not from 2-0 down we wont mate. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 24, 2014 21:04:52 GMT
What are you talking about ? Apart from the first 15 mins, I thought we can be really, really proud of that performance tonight! I'll have what ever he's drinking! |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Oct 24, 2014 21:08:36 GMT
We won't be 2-0 down very often this season though,Fulham were different level first 20 minutes,its how we responded that makes me pleased even after losing 3-0,they have so many better technical footballers than us its not really a surprise we were undone is it,the table is lying in regards to their position.
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Post by ashaddick on Oct 24, 2014 21:15:29 GMT
I'm not sure it was a car crash of a performance, and our second half was much much better, although still some pretty wayward passing. But I do agree with Reams that our squad is terribly thin, so thin now I fear that as we get a few games into the season the opposition can see through it. We are screaming for a centre forward who can hold up the ball and bully defences, and a brain in mid field that can do something when it all gets a bit tight, rather than a hopeful pass that gives the ball away. In saying all that, I believe 3-0 flattered Fulham tonight but with the squad they have they wont be in the bottom half come the end of the season.
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Post by picksy on Oct 24, 2014 21:21:59 GMT
It was written at half time so for the benefit of those who either can't or refuse to understand it was obviously based on the first half performance. I'll leave you guys to wallow in an improved second half performance that resulted in very little in terms of attempts on goal. I feel confident that if I were to carry on typing until this time tomorrow it would still be Charlton ....nil!! Very little to take out of the game in my opinion, missing Vetokele was huge for us but when we leave ourselves with just Tucadean as an option then sorry but we deserve all we get. Apologies for not being so easily pleased. Reams, you seem to be blaming the players when your beef is with the owner. You can't blame the lads for that and you of all people should know that. No need to stamp your foot either just because some of us appreciate the effort and accept they are doing the best they can. Which I felt they did tonight with the players available. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 24, 2014 21:25:22 GMT
We won't be 2-0 down very often this season though,Fulham were different level first 20 minutes,its how we responded that makes me pleased even after losing 3-0,they have so many better technical footballers than us its not really a surprise we were undone is it,the table is lying in regards to their position. We can't make excuses like that mate. They were not a different level at all they were just much better than us which is not good enough. Either we are going to be serious about this season or we're not. Fulham were in the bottom three when we kicked off tonight but if you were a neutral you would have thought they were 7th not us. All this if we are in or around the play-offs in January we'll strengthen talk is cheap and it's bollocks. Put your money where your mouth is Duchatelet and make bring in players now so that we are in the top 7 or 8 at the turn of the year. I don't care how we responded for the second 45 minutes tonight, I'm more interested in how we have responded to the injuries we have had lately, that tells me more about us than what chasing a game did tonight. We can all huff and puff with no end product, it might look good but the end result is what counts. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:34:02 GMT
Fulham were in the bottom three when we kicked off tonight but if you were a neutral you would have thought they were 7th not us. And you might have thought they have premiership quality in Rodallega, Ruiz, McCormack and Parker to name but four! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:34:09 GMT
... I feel confident that if I were to carry on typing until this time tomorrow it would still be Charlton ....nil!! The game has finished so I make you right on this one point. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 24, 2014 21:49:02 GMT
Such a prick.
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Post by terryducks on Oct 24, 2014 22:26:10 GMT
Reality check . We were awful first half. Kept losing the ball never looked like scoring and Wilson kept hiding from the ball. The second half for all its effort amounted very little proper chances . Actually the amount of times we over hit the ball or the ball was passed to a fulham player when it looked easier to score. I don't give a monkeys about the effort we were shocking. What's the point of pressure when it never looks like scoring.
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Post by discocafc on Oct 24, 2014 22:35:24 GMT
Reality check . We were awful first half. Kept losing the ball never looked like scoring and Wilson kept hiding from the ball. The second half for all its effort amounted very little proper chances . Actually the amount of times we over hit the ball or the ball was passed to a fulham player when it looked easier to score. I don't give a monkeys about the effort we were shocking. What's the point of pressure when it never looks like scoring. Agreed! 1st half damaged us big time and our defending was very poor and our passing was pathetic and the lack of movement costed us. Why on earth did we get rid of Kermorgant is beyond me, we needed someone like him 2nd half as all our players up top apart from Bikey is shite in the air. Then again, I thought Fulham looked like they are recovering and I would not be surprised if they end up top 10 pretty soon. Certain fans feel optimistic after the game, reality check needed!!!! |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 24, 2014 23:10:39 GMT
There are no players coming in tomorrow so time to get real.
But we do have Vetokele and Buyens coming back next Saturday.
And Ahearne-Grant looks something special. And Gudmundsson had a good second half.
Five games in November and they are all winnable so let's see if we can stay on track and the club deliver the goodies with two quality signings in January.
Slagging off players tonight is a joke - some think that cafc are going to keep paying the whole squad, write half of them off and bring ten more in. I've got news for them - that's what screwed us and Murray five years ago!
Nope we work with what we have and one by one players make the step up. Or not.
It's not clear yet whether we finish on 65 or 75 points but it's not 55 and it certainly isn't 85.
As per Koc, Nego and Piotr players either make it into the first 18 or they go out on loan to another network club but they get six months not six appearances.
Tucudean, Moussa and a few others have until January or May at the latest to stake their claim.
As posted before, M.Duchatelet Meire and Peeters have done the easy bit in tipping out 2/3 of last year's squad and bringing in ten. The next ten games and the next window determine so many things - there will be much luck and gnashing of teeth but I figure next Saturday we may well be three points better off. And soon after a chance to get some points off Millwall.
Basically our next five opponents are nothing like Fulham, Wolves and other top teams - nope we spend November playing bread and butter championship sides... Feel free to shriek and groan if we fuck up then but remember that all we really need is to beat the lesser sides at home and secure some away points to move on from last season.
If we get those points new players arrive...if we don't then we jog on to the summer and see another shake up and our fourth coaching appointment under Duchatelet. Simples
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Post by picksy on Oct 25, 2014 2:30:17 GMT
Reality check . We were awful first half. Kept losing the ball never looked like scoring and Wilson kept hiding from the ball. The second half for all its effort amounted very little proper chances . Actually the amount of times we over hit the ball or the ball was passed to a fulham player when it looked easier to score. I don't give a monkeys about the effort we were shocking. What's the point of pressure when it never looks like scoring. Agreed! 1st half damaged us big time and our defending was very poor and our passing was pathetic and the lack of movement costed us. Why on earth did we get rid of Kermorgant is beyond me, we needed someone like him 2nd half as all our players up top apart from Bikey is shite in the air. Then again, I thought Fulham looked like they are recovering and I would not be surprised if they end up top 10 pretty soon. Certain fans feel optimistic after the game, reality check needed!!!! No Picksy doesn't "Like" this. ( Meant to click on 'Quote'). I think it is you and terryducks that need the reality check. All this slagging and bleating about getting in loan players is bordering on the ridiculous. As is 'not giving a monkeys about effort'. Get with the program. In fact, get real. . |
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Post by picksy on Oct 25, 2014 2:31:56 GMT
There are no players coming in tomorrow so time to get real. But we do have Vetokele and Buyens coming back next Saturday. And Ahearne-Grant looks something special. And Gudmundsson had a good second half. Five games in November and they are all winnable so let's see if we can stay on track and the club deliver the goodies with two quality signings in January. Slagging off players tonight is a joke - some think that cafc are going to keep paying the whole squad, write half of them off and bring ten more in. I've got news for them - that's what screwed us and Murray five years ago! Nope we work with what we have and one by one players make the step up. Or not. It's not clear yet whether we finish on 65 or 75 points but it's not 55 and it certainly isn't 85. As per Koc, Nego and Piotr players either make it into the first 18 or they go out on loan to another network club but they get six months not six appearances. Tucudean, Moussa and a few others have until January or May at the latest to stake their claim. As posted before, M.Duchatelet Meire and Peeters have done the easy bit in tipping out 2/3 of last year's squad and bringing in ten. The next ten games and the next window determine so many things - there will be much luck and gnashing of teeth but I figure next Saturday we may well be three points better off. And soon after a chance to get some points off Millwall. Basically our next five opponents are nothing like Fulham, Wolves and other top teams - nope we spend November playing bread and butter championship sides... Feel free to shriek and groan if we fuck up then but remember that all we really need is to beat the lesser sides at home and secure some away points to move on from last season. If we get those points new players arrive...if we don't then we jog on to the summer and see another shake up and our fourth coaching appointment under Duchatelet. Simples Thank God. Someone that knows what they are talking about. |
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Post by hongkongaddick on Oct 25, 2014 3:59:30 GMT
I second that Oicksy.
Couldn't have out it better myself seriously red. Keep those type of posts coming.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 7:49:25 GMT
Never mind the three injured and one suspended player missing tonight that's not what cost us......It was the cover we have for when these situations occur that has done us. Other teams cope with it but we can't and it's been that way for years, we have a good 11 or 12 but an average squad and it was always going to catch up with us and Duchaelet's ignorance towards it will catch up with him too if he doesn't address the problem. |
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Post by muttleycafc on Oct 25, 2014 7:52:54 GMT
They key to last night and Bournemouth was keeping it tight. We conceded very early goals in both games. There were bits about the performance that were promising in the second half and if we win our next game, we will be in a decent position. In all honesty, for me it isn't just about the squad, I think we need a couple of players who will start - this will of course boost the squad too. On that point Fulham were able to rest players with a Tuesday-Friday schedule in mind! Although this should have affected us towards the end of teh game rather than the beginning! It was pretty clear to most of us that we needed those to elevate us above a mid table side - although a good defence (which was not so evident last night) can falsely inflate our position. I do have to remind myself that I was concerened about relegation prior to the season started but Peeters, Vetokele, Ben Haim, Bikey and to a lesser degree Buyens have re-assured me on that front. I hope we can keep in touch and the club are lining up what is needed for a push in the final part of the season. Another thing that is possibly bigger than the result is that there is a real player coming through in Grant. I think when he gets a goal he could take off! I think there is a bigger picture and to be honest it looks rosier than Fulham's bigger picture.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 8:23:39 GMT
Let's look at the stats tonight, previous posters including you reams have said the stats from games indicate we don't deserve to be where we are in table in terms of possession and attempts corners etc, yet we have got points from those games. Tonight we boss the stats and come away with nothing. I will say that the fans were excellent throughout tonight and responded to a good response from players for 65 mins of the game. Caught out in first 15 with some unusually poor defending and sloppy passes, by a Fulham side who have found form under their new manager, a side with a much larger budget who could afford to rest players some players on Tuesday. Some on here moan when we win or draw but the stats are not as good as the other team, for example Bolton on Tuesday where we were clinical with our finishing, but Bolton had more possession. Tonight some posters slag our team off when we bossed the game particularly in the second half where we had plenty of chances and pushed forward with good passing moves and promising performances from some particularly KAG however could not put the ball In the net. Fulham however were clinical today that's just how it goes sometimes. Which emergency loan players do you suggest then could push us on, only in previous years loan players at cafc have not been that great.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 8:37:43 GMT
Some good posts here and glad that people are starting to speak out against the perennial moaners. It's all too easy to just walk away when the 'everything is shit' crowd gets started. Whether we win (Bolton) or lose (Fulham) doesn't seem to make any difference to the amount of slagging!
Think positive. The glass is at least half full and let's not let the half-empty miserabalists make all the noise (although the way some of them carry on you'd think there's not a single drop in the glass at all!).
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Post by squareball on Oct 25, 2014 8:42:43 GMT
Not even remotely bothered by the defeat to be honest. If you take the best 3 players out of any team bar Chelsea and perhaps City, then they struggle, regardless of their level.
We struggled early doors, didn't weather the storm and a couple of individual errors throw in puts us two down. Now 2 down and without our best players it should've been a massacre. Especially giving the recent stats against us. But it wasn't . We played well in spells. That will do me. As I said the other night we will play better and lose .
Plus a team on the bottom is as capable as a team on the top. Surely that's obvious. Results week in week out confirm that.
But in the end I don't care about the stats or the result. We lost and that's all.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 25, 2014 8:58:27 GMT
Yea we dominated the stats but come on guys you all know that it was much to do with the fact that Fulham were already 2-0 up coasting, we had to take the game to them in the second half which is why the stats look favourable on our part.
Not sure either why we are all pointing towards the injuries to Buyens and Vetokele last night either when it's as clear as day to me that we need Igor AND one other up front not Igor OR.
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Post by pulled off at half time on Oct 25, 2014 9:13:42 GMT
True we had a best half as Fulham fell deeper but this might be the wake up call that bob needs to try and get our side playing higher up and with a quicker tempo , Karlan looked quick and could be the key to get behind teams , rather than the laborious playing to tucadean who will quickly lose it. Bob needs to find different ways he may have had his hand forced last night and saw we can play the possession game with 2 up top and karlan as willing runner.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 9:54:05 GMT
Guys guys guys what you got to remember is that we where playing a side who where in the Premiership not long a go.And still have premiership players the first half we were awful but I am not going to lose my rag over it. Second half we looked stronger bossed it and on another day maybe got something out of but thats football. These players are still in credit with me and have got us into a position where we are talking about possible promotion push. Lets get behind them and see where we are in January because I can imagine a lot of team maybe hit by financial fair play and unable to sign anybody. Keep the faith  |
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