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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 1, 2014 7:42:35 GMT
What he as done first 10 games is a miracle ..
Compared to the dross we have had to sit through last few years
And he not scared to throw the young players
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 8:31:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 9:14:59 GMT
What he as done first 10 games is a miracle .. Compared to the dross we have had to sit through last few years And he not scared to throw the young players Are you drunk Colin? |
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Post by barnstoneworth on Oct 1, 2014 11:00:03 GMT
or on the wrong forum.. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 13:08:38 GMT
Facepalm indeed Royston.
Frankly Colin, this comment and your comments elsewhere about Bob being up there with Lennie Lawrence in Charlton's history only serve to make me wonder if you're sleeping with the man.
He's had 10 games, TEN! The results are positive but we've been on the back foot for many of the recent ones without creating many chances. He's achieved nothing yet. Surely even Riga's achievements with a much poorer set of players (5 wins and 16 points in the last 10 games) outrank Bob's achievement to date?
Time will tell. Right now we've had only two managers since the war who've actually won a title (Curbs and Powell), only 6 who've won promotion (Seed, Nelson, Bailey, Lawrence, Curbs and Powell) - and none of them achieved it with a £3.5m striker up front.
Bob's started well, but there's a long long way to go yet before he can even be mentioned in the same breath as Lennie Lawrence.
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Post by paperboy on Oct 1, 2014 13:16:20 GMT
IMO there are only three managers that deserve having the dubious title of 'Sir' being awarded to them, Seed, Curbishley and Lawrence. Rik, as for titles won after the war, would you not count the '47 FA cup.?
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Post by wellingaddick on Oct 1, 2014 13:18:10 GMT
We need to get away from these 'fans anointed' titles!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 13:20:34 GMT
Early days, for sure. But we will be a quarter of the way through the season come Saturday and to dismissively claim that "he's achieved nothing yet" is as ridiculous as hailing him as a legend.
He has gone ten games undefeated; taken the team to within two points of an automatic promotion place; restored the Fortress Valley mentality; is putting out the best organised teams since Curbishley; and he has united 99 per cent of the fans (and those who won't get behind him can feck off to Huddersfield).
Long way to go. But he has already drawn alongside and possibly overtaken Riga as the best Charlton manager since Curbishley (not hard given the unremitting awfulness of the last seven or eight years, admittedly).
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Post by cafcforever on Oct 1, 2014 13:22:46 GMT
Well done to everyone at Charlton FC.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:46:05 GMT
On the contrary Sir Bob peeters has quite a nice ring to it...SBP... I feel another poem coming on....;-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 16:47:58 GMT
Lets not start this "Sir" crap again. No wonder fans from other clubs call us 'anoraks'. It is cringeworthy.
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Post by jonkool on Oct 1, 2014 19:44:38 GMT
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Post by DFT on Oct 1, 2014 21:27:11 GMT
In defence of Bexleyboy, 10 games is reckoned by many to be when you can look at the league table for the first time and see how you're getting on.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Oct 1, 2014 22:18:24 GMT
Sure Curbs paid 3 million plus for Bent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 7:50:05 GMT
Nobody will ever be able hold a candle to Lennie's achievements in my eyes. What he did was unique. Not only signing quality top flight players like Bob Bolder, Peter Shirtliff. John Pearson (ok...maybe not Pearson) for shirt buttons, but keeping us in the top flight for 4 seasons while playing in front of 3 men and a dog at Shithurst. The style of football wasn't bad either. I know football has moved on in the 30 years since...but can you imagine any Premier League team today fielding Steve Thompson, Andy Peake, George Shipley & Mark Stuart every week- and still somehow staying up?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 14:58:05 GMT
IMO there are only three managers that deserve having the dubious title of 'Sir' being awarded to them, Seed, Curbishley and Lawrence. Rik, as for titles won after the war, would you not count the '47 FA cup.? No, a cup's not a title. Even so, I don't think anyone's doubting Seed's place in our history in achievement terms. For what it's worth, I think right now Powell has to be fourth in line behind the three greats given the League One win. Bob Peeters might overtake him, and I hope he does because it will means he's done a great job - but if he left tomorrow no-one would be talking about him as one of our all-time managers. Well, except Colin perhaps. Agree with Royston that Lawrence's achievements - particularly in 85/86 and 86/87 - were miraculous, especially given the financial situation and the move to Selhurst. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 15:44:37 GMT
IMO there are only three managers that deserve having the dubious title of 'Sir' being awarded to them, Seed, Curbishley and Lawrence. Rik, as for titles won after the war, would you not count the '47 FA cup.? Powell has to be fourth in line behind the three greats given the League One win. Being in 'league one' was the low point of the last 30 years. By winning it we came 45th out of 92 and that puts Powell on a par with Nelson and Bailey. Charlton have only ever had three managers in their history who achieved genuine greatness at the club, so coming fourth in that particular beauty contest is not going to get anyone a knighthood. Peeters will be judged on his record and if he gets us promoted either this season or next he will become the fourth genuinely great manager in the club's history. He still has it all to do. But one thing we can say is that he has already shown himself to be a better coach technically and tactically than we have seen at the Valley for several years and his motivational skills - of both players and supporters - also seems to be second-to-none. |
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Post by ridgeback on Oct 2, 2014 17:04:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 18:19:32 GMT
Spot on IA. Winning a League One title is a bit like your girlfriend winning a Susan Boyle lookalike contest.
Who gives a shit that we won 101 points rolling over the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle ?
That season was a stain on the history of CAFC.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 18:21:59 GMT
IMO there are only three managers that deserve having the dubious title of 'Sir' being awarded to them, Seed, Curbishley and Lawrence. Rik, as for titles won after the war, would you not count the '47 FA cup.? No, a cup's not a title. Even so, I don't think anyone's doubting Seed's place in our history in achievement terms. For what it's worth, I think right now Powell has to be fourth in line behind the three greats given the League One win. Bob Peeters might overtake him, and I hope he does because it will means he's done a great job - but if he left tomorrow no-one would be talking about him as one of our all-time managers. Well, except Colin perhaps. Agree with Royston that Lawrence's achievements - particularly in 85/86 and 86/87 - were miraculous, especially given the financial situation and the move to Selhurst. Don't want to go over old ground Rik, but you cannot be serious about Powell being our 4th best manager of all time? He also presided over a witless relegation, and a style of football that had Sir Clive Woodward casting him admiring glances. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 2, 2014 18:39:51 GMT
You would be surprised to know how much Lennie didn't do it alone! It's up to Lennie to tell you though not me.  |
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Post by ketts on Oct 2, 2014 19:38:26 GMT
I reckon Lennie had a well decent assistant Reams don't you? My cousin will testify to the part Lennie's assistant played.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 19:45:48 GMT
I have 'liked' ketts post the first time, because the role of reams senior deserves to be recognised. But I can't be bothered to tick the 'like' box for the second and third repetitions. That's called milking it!
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Post by jonkool on Oct 2, 2014 19:57:24 GMT
Spot on IA. Winning a League One title is a bit like your girlfriend winning a Susan Boyle lookalike contest. Who gives a shit that we won 101 points rolling over the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle ? That season was a stain on the history of CAFC. Bullshit! It was a much needed stepping stone season returning us to our natural historical habitat of tier 2. But it was only a beginning and had to be followed by ongoing progress which only arrived with Roly & Katrien  |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Oct 2, 2014 20:15:54 GMT
Excellent start to the season and well done to all involved at the club but im just a little nervous regarding the tactics so far, admittedly we are trying to play football instead off hoofball but I'm worried about the possession conceded in most of our games.
My gut feeling at the moment is that Bob knows what he is doing but is roughly 3 players short of where he really wants us to be on the playing side of tactics andormations.
Thank god at the moment we have two centre halfs who for me are premiership quality and a special mention to TBH who is a proper ball playing CB.
I have been called odd on another forum for suggesting the Huddersfield Town love in a bit weird and belive me I wish CP all the best BUT do these people give or gave a proper SIR knowed as Mr Curbishley the same affection and pedestal? IMO no they don't which makes me wonder why they give Powell such a fervent vocal backing? ;-/ which to me is odd but I have my own personal views why.
Back on topic though I think its an unbelievable start but would take 8th to 10th for a finish come may with the squad Bob has at his disposal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 20:27:45 GMT
After finishing seventh in the Premiership only a few seasons earlier, being in div three was one of the most shameful episodes in Charlton history. To celebrate promotion from that division in what was in effect 45th place, was a hollow triumph. And to hail the manager who achieved this modest step back to the second tier as an all-time great strains all credulity. Well done, Dickie Murray. How many other owners have presided over a decline from 7th to 45th place, and proclaimed it as a "triumph" to rank among the club's greatest achievements? |
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Post by ketts on Oct 2, 2014 20:45:00 GMT
Sorry IC, not sure how the post got triplicated, have deleted posts 2 & 3 now.
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Post by jonkool on Oct 2, 2014 20:54:20 GMT
After finishing seventh in the Premiership only a few seasons earlier, being in div three was one of the most shameful episodes in Charlton history. To celebrate promotion from that division in what was in effect 45th place, was a hollow triumph. And to hail the manager who achieved this modest step back to the second tier as an all-time great strains all credulity. Well done, Dickie Murray. How many other owners have presided over a decline from 7th to 45th place, and proclaimed it as a "triumph" to rank among the club's greatest achievements? Hey let's be clear Nige was talking BS but I'm no apologist for CP or RM! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 16:01:52 GMT
Powell has to be fourth in line behind the three greats given the League One win. Being in 'league one' was the low point of the last 30 years. By winning it we came 45th out of 92 and that puts Powell on a par with Nelson and Bailey. Charlton have only ever had three managers in their history who achieved genuine greatness at the club, so coming fourth in that particular beauty contest is not going to get anyone a knighthood. Peeters will be judged on his record and if he gets us promoted either this season or next he will become the fourth genuinely great manager in the club's history. He still has it all to do. But one thing we can say is that he has already shown himself to be a better coach technically and tactically than we have seen at the Valley for several years and his motivational skills - of both players and supporters - also seems to be second-to-none. Not suggesting Powell is anywhere near the top three, but facts is facts. Neither Nelson nor Bailey won the title, Nelson ended up getting us relegated again and Bailey jumped ship after 12 months. Given that we'd struggled to get back from that league in the previous 2 years, it was hardly a foregone conclusion, especially with much bigger budgets finishing behind us. Time will tell, I'm a big Peeters fan - love his engagement with the media in particular - but I simply don't believe we can make sweeping judgements as to 'miracles' just yet, let alone comparing him to Lennie (and his admirable assistant). We can still go down this year, of course. As for tactics, some pretty football but it seems fairly one dimensional thus far and I get a check when a manager says things as naive as 'this is the only way we're going to play.' As long as our defence stays firm we'll be fine - but if it starts to fall apart, we're hardly looking like we're going to score hatfuls are we. A good start, nothing more, nothing less. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 16:10:12 GMT
After finishing seventh in the Premiership only a few seasons earlier, being in div three was one of the most shameful episodes in Charlton history. To celebrate promotion from that division in what was in effect 45th place, was a hollow triumph. And to hail the manager who achieved this modest step back to the second tier as an all-time great strains all credulity. Well done, Dickie Murray. How many other owners have presided over a decline from 7th to 45th place, and proclaimed it as a "triumph" to rank among the club's greatest achievements? Well, except Murray didn't really preside over that did he. He was ousted from his role by Chappel and Whitehand for our relegation season (from the Championship) and their decision to sell our higher earners and leave us starting a season with one senior centre half was crucial in what followed. Of course that relegation left us with no parachute payments, tiny TV income and some huge wages to build a recovery from. I don't get the Murray bashing. Is he perfect? Is anyone?! Has he made mistakes? Hasn't everyone?! If you look over the full term of his tenure he was hugely successful, slow build of the club, development of the Valley - until the catastrophic gamble on Dowie and the future monies (although few of us were complaining at so much money being made available). Had it been successful would have reaped us a very different future with the then new Prem TV deal; it wasn't, of course. Despite all that, along with the rest of the board at that time he's lost a lot of money keeping Charlton alive. Not sure when he's 'proclaimed [two relegations] as a trumph,' perhaps you could post a link... EDIT: And fk me, what a sense of entitlement! You are where you are in the football pyramid. If you don't get the results you deserve to be where you are. We didn't have the resources to earn winning that league and 101 points. Why people can't celebrate one of the few honours our club has had in its history is beyond me. Are you really so anti-Powell that you can't allow yourself to recognise a rare achievement? |
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