Why do some people think RD wants to destroy CAFC?

[americanaddick]

I've seen in interviews, youtube videos, news articles and forums (both here and other places!) that Rolly supposedly wants us to lose our soul and identity, while also wanting us to get relegated.

Is their any proof that he wants to do this? We've had influxes of foreign players before and I didn't see too many complaining then. Rolly has also reaffirmed his desire to have our academy grow and continue to produce players like Fox, Poyet and Cousins who will break into the first team. This seems to me like he wants the clue to keep its identity and continue to grow.

Now i'm not saying Roland is perfect. Selling Yann was a good bit of business, not replacing him with at least equal quality, was not. That was a mistake. I don't get this belief that he supposedly wants us to get relegated so he saves paying four million to Slater and company. When you get relegated your club loses a majority of its current value, while also incurring additional debt due to lack of tv and gate revenue. Why do people think he wants to destroy us, as opposed to getting us promoted and making back his investment in one season?

I've even seen some say he's as evil as Vincent Tan and the guy at Hull City!

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Can you point me in the direction of the "interviews, youtube videos..." Where people have claimed that he wants to get us relegated ?

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Apr 20, 2014 6:53:42 GMT @se9addick said:

Can you point me in the direction of the "interviews, youtube videos..." Where people have claimed that he wants to get us relegated ?

I think he means RD has done his interviews/ youtube videos which we've all seen but people are still saying he wants us relegated, not that people have posted videos saying he wants us relegated?..

[reamsofverse]

Apr 20, 2014 6:53:42 GMT @se9addick said:

Can you point me in the direction of the "interviews, youtube videos..." Where people have claimed that he wants to get us relegated ?

Could you kindly explain why the TRUST feel the need to in their own words "Keep an eye on RD's network of clubs". Why? and what has it got to do with you? In fact what have any of his clubs including us, got to do with you?

Could you also explain why your Motto is....



Giving Addicks a Voice - have you joined yet?

That is basically telling me that in your opinion I only have a voice if I join CAST and pay a fiver.

If I join and pay £5 does that entitle me to ask questions like how have CAST distributed or using the £5,415 that they have received from membership fees? I'm just interested to know.

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Apr 20, 2014 9:19:24 GMT cafc101 said:

Apr 20, 2014 6:53:42 GMT @se9addick said:

Can you point me in the direction of the "interviews, youtube videos..." Where people have claimed that he wants to get us relegated ?

I think he means RD has done his interviews/ youtube videos which we've all seen but people are still saying he wants us relegated, not that people have posted videos saying he wants us relegated?..

Ah right - wasn't particuarly clear.

Has anyone actually said that RD "wants to get us relegated" ? People might think that his decisions (particularly selling a striker that has now scored seven in 13) might contribute to us being relegated, but I doubt anyone thinks he "wants" this to be the outcome.

[reamsofverse]

Kermorgant went because RD will not tolerate anybody no matter who or how popular they are, holding him or the club to ransom.

Maybe you and your organisation should take heed from that, he is nobody's fool.

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Apr 20, 2014 9:26:57 GMT @se9addick said:

Apr 20, 2014 9:19:24 GMT cafc101 said:

I think he means RD has done his interviews/ youtube videos which we've all seen but people are still saying he wants us relegated, not that people have posted videos saying he wants us relegated?..

Ah right - wasn't particuarly clear.

Has anyone actually said that RD "wants to get us relegated" ? People might think that his decisions (particularly selling a striker that has now scored seven in 13) might contribute to us being relegated, but I doubt anyone thinks he "wants" this to be the outcome.

It is a theory that people have mentioned tbh but I don't buy it, he will lose more than the 4m he wouldn't have to pay to Jiminez if we went down.

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Apr 20, 2014 9:26:57 GMT reamsofverse said:

Apr 20, 2014 6:53:42 GMT @se9addick said:

Can you point me in the direction of the "interviews, youtube videos..." Where people have claimed that he wants to get us relegated ?

Could you kindly explain why the TRUST feel the need to in their own words "Keep an eye on RD's network of clubs". Why? and what has it got to do with you? In fact what have any of his clubs including us, got to do with you?

Could you also explain why you Motto is....



Giving Addicks a Voice - have you joined yet?

That is basically telling me that in your opinion I only have a voice if I join CAST and pay a fiver.

If I join and pay £5 does that entitle me to ask questions like how have CAST distributed or using the £5,415 that they have received from membership fees? I'm just interested to know.

Wow - even for you reams this is some of the most enjoyable and hilarious hypocrisy you've manged to trot out yet. Criticizing someone for wanting to keep an eye on the other teams in our "network" when you yourself have started four threads on the very same in the last week is brilliant. You must have the least self awareness of anyone in the whole of the Welsh valleys.

intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/15915/standard-liege-doing-champions-league
intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/15899/roland-face-alcorcon
intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/15900/charlton-athletics-sister-clubs-depth
intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/15840/zulte-waregem-standard-liege-evening


Mate you really need to get out a bit more, you make yourself look very silly with these little vendettas, especially when they're laced with so much hypocrisy !

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I would give the new owner 6/10 so far. The plus points have been the plans for the training ground & pitch, and the honest way they have tried to engage with the fans. Katrien was in Floyd Road giving out programmes on Friday, although she rather spoiled it by then appearing on the pitch with that gurning buffoon Richard Murray.

The negative has clearly been the transfers & loans under RD, which have been an almost total failure to date.

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Apr 20, 2014 9:44:34 GMT @thepompouscardigan said:

I would give the new owner 6/10 so far. The plus points have been the plans for the training ground & pitch, and the honest way they have tried to engage with the fans. Katrien was in Floyd Road giving out programmes on Friday, although she rather spoiled it by then appearing on the pitch with that gurning buffoon Richard Murray.

The negative has clearly been the transfers & loans under RD, which have been an almost total failure to date.

I'd pretty much agree with that assessment.

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I think RD has had justifiable criticism about some of his decisions since buying us (selling Yann, the dross that has come in on loan etc). I don't think any sensible person genuinely believes he would be happy with our relegation, he would lose way more than he may gain from a small reduction in the purchase price.

The concept of a network of clubs is an interesting one, it will be interesting to see how it pans out, trying to get a network to work together whilst not losing the individual spirits of its member clubs will be a fine balancing act. Keeping an eye on the other clubs within the business is very sensible as with one parent company across the lot there is potential to move money and assets about to the favour or detriment of CAFC and any fan who does not think this is relevant id, quite frankly, a fool.

[reamsofverse]

The posts I put up are out of a general interest and how things may change if Liege fail to qualify for the CL. Would it affect us in a positive or negative way, it's worth keeping an eye on but for that reason only, not because of what RD might have up his sneaky sleeve as some believe.

Other threads were because I have a better knowledge of Belgian football than most and I enjoy sharing that knowledge with anybody on here who is interested.

What you don't get with me is a sinister undertone like there is on the TRUST site which clearly states in the words of our docile friend from Prague(Who by the way I can educate on Czech football as much as he has time for) who wrote:

Whether you agree with the Network idea, it’s progress will undoubtedly affect Charlton in some way!!

How does he or you know that? Can you prove it?

Hunt writes what he does to maintain doubt in people's heads about Duchatelet only in many cases it isn't working, people have got more sense. He also makes out that the TRUST is the only place where information can be found on the network and what might be happening with Bari when it isn't, far from it.

I enjoy putting up posts about RD's other clubs because I enjoy talking and reading about football, European especially, I don't do it just to be like Hunt who is dying for a "I told you so" if things did go wrong.

[jonkool]

From my perspective the new owner has not appreciated that the 5th most attended division in Europe is also possibly the most challenging division physically and emotionally in Europe with a 46 game competition with 2 extra cup comps and bottom can still beat top on any given day!

[reamsofverse]

So RD deserves criticism for selling Yann for a fee when in a months time he could have walked away for nothing Strange indeed.

I can't recall Yann setting the World alight before he left us, injuries and hoofball up to him didn't help us at all actually.

I agree on some of the SL loans they have been very poor but JR has said that he has been surprised by the quality of the Championship so by that we can safely say RD had no idea of it either when he ordered the likes of Nego, Thuram, Koc to report to the Valley and bought Polish Pete as Yann's replacement, sacking Powell though evened things up for me and now he is way in credit.

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Apr 20, 2014 9:50:24 GMT reamsofverse said:

The posts I put up are out of a general interest and how things may change id Liege fail to qualify for the CL.

Other threads were because I have a better knowledge of Belgian football than most and I enjoy sharing that knowledge with anybody on here who is interested.

What you don't get with me is a sinister undertone like there is on the TRUST site which clearly states in the words of our docile friend from Prague(Who by the way I can educate on Czech football as much as he has time for) who wrote:

Whether you agree with the Network idea, it’s progress will undoubtedly affect Charlton in some way!!

How does he or you know that? Can you prove it?

Hunt writes what he does to maintain doubt in people's heads about Duchatelet only in many cases it isn't working, people have got more sense. He also makes out that the TRUST is the only place where information can be found on the network and what might be happening with Bari when it isn't, far from it.

I enjoy putting up posts about RD's other clubs because I enjoy talking and reading about football, European especially, I don't do it just to be like Hunt who is dying for a "I told you so" if things did go wrong.

Reams - I'm not sure I'm going to even touch the hypocrisy of you presuming to criticize the presumptuousness of someone else, but it's fantastic.

I'd imagine anyone who doesn't have a bizarre vendetta with someone they've never met will probably take Prague's words at face value and realise this isn't all part of some Machiavellian scheme to undermine Duchatelet.

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Apr 20, 2014 9:48:34 GMT @ac said:

I think RD has had justifiable criticism about some of his decisions since buying us (selling Yann, the dross that has come in on loan etc). I don't think any sensible person genuinely believes he would be happy with our relegation, he would lose way more than he may gain from a small reduction in the purchase price.

The concept of a network of clubs is an interesting one, it will be interesting to see how it pans out, trying to get a network to work together whilst not losing the individual spirits of its member clubs will be a fine balancing act. Keeping an eye on the other clubs within the business is very sensible as with one parent company across the lot there is potential to move money and assets about to the favour or detriment of CAFC and any fan who does not think this is relevant id, quite frankly, a fool.

I just love the rank double standards that some Charlton fans apply to our owners. I go back to the Glikstein era. RD wants to fatten the calf , take it to market and sell it at a profit. In that respect he is identical to Slater & Jiminez. Some Charlton fans treated or treat both like a bad smell from under the sink.

Dicky Murray on the other hand reduced our small shareholdings to pennies, comes back every year to take his dividend, and still gets put on a pedestal by some.
Don't forget also it was Murray who chose not to.invest relative peanuts in drainage in the pitch when we were awash with Premier League money. Rick Everitt confirmed it.

By all means slag our owners for being shit, but lets judge all of them by the same standards eh ?

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Reams, if the parent company owning the network clubs goes bust then we lose 10 points. FA rules dictate it. Therefore whether we like it or not, the network is inextricably linked to us as the financial performance of the group is key to our own success.

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Personally I don't give a fuck about the Network. I just care about my football club staying up

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Apr 20, 2014 9:58:11 GMT @thepompouscardigan said:

Apr 20, 2014 9:48:34 GMT @ac said:

I think RD has had justifiable criticism about some of his decisions since buying us (selling Yann, the dross that has come in on loan etc). I don't think any sensible person genuinely believes he would be happy with our relegation, he would lose way more than he may gain from a small reduction in the purchase price.

The concept of a network of clubs is an interesting one, it will be interesting to see how it pans out, trying to get a network to work together whilst not losing the individual spirits of its member clubs will be a fine balancing act. Keeping an eye on the other clubs within the business is very sensible as with one parent company across the lot there is potential to move money and assets about to the favour or detriment of CAFC and any fan who does not think this is relevant id, quite frankly, a fool.

I just love the rank double standards that some Charlton fans apply to our owners. I go back to the Glikstein era. RD wants to fatten the calf , take it to market and sell it at a profit. In that respect he is identical to Slater & Jiminez. Some Charlton fans treated or treat both like a bad smell from under the sink.

Dicky Murray on the other hand reduced our small shareholdings to pennies, comes back every year to take his dividend, and still gets put on a pedestal by some.
Don't forget also it was Murray who chose not to.invest relative peanuts in drainage in the pitch when we were awash with Premier League money. Rick Everitt confirmed it.

By all means slag our owners for being shit, but lets judge all of them by the same standards eh ?

I think you should always have a healthy suspicion of a new owner until they prove otherwise.  That is business, RD would only expect it.  I am not saying people should do anything destructive but asking questions is the right thing to do.  Fattening  the cow for sale Is ok, to do that by selling your best two players when you are in a relegation fight seems an odd way to do it.

don't think I will go into the Murray debate again as it has been done to death and we can agree to disagree.

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Reams, who in our team would you say is better at creating and scoring chances than Yann? You say you don't remember him setting the world alight, ok, but who in our team is as good or better. Would you not agree that in all likeliness we would be safe now had we kept him? One or two more goals would have seen to that. Staying up is far more valuable to us than £400K, especially when you net the agent costs from that.

[reamsofverse]

We have nobody better than him but he did not want to be here so why keep him?

[americanaddick]

Apr 20, 2014 9:19:24 GMT cafc101 said:

Apr 20, 2014 6:53:42 GMT @se9addick said:

Can you point me in the direction of the "interviews, youtube videos..." Where people have claimed that he wants to get us relegated ?

I think he means RD has done his interviews/ youtube videos which we've all seen but people are still saying he wants us relegated, not that people have posted videos saying he wants us relegated?..

No, I meant ones like this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qslchmqbmz8

Some caveats from it:

"The new owner has no idea what this club is about"
"Roland is going to run us into the ground"
Someone put a piece of paper on the statue of Sam Bartram that read: "Big Sam would be ashamed Mr. Duchatelet. We certainly are"

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Apr 20, 2014 13:38:39 GMT americanaddick said:

Apr 20, 2014 9:19:24 GMT cafc101 said:

I think he means RD has done his interviews/ youtube videos which we've all seen but people are still saying he wants us relegated, not that people have posted videos saying he wants us relegated?..

No, I meant ones like this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qslchmqbmz8

Some caveats from it:

"The new owner has no idea what this club is about"
"Roland is going to run us into the ground"
Someone put a piece of paper on the statue of Sam Bartram that read: "Big Sam would be ashamed Mr. Duchatelet. We certainly are"

So no one said RD "wants" us to be relegated then ?

[reamsofverse]

The TRUST do not have any faith in RD so please do not try and pull the wool.

If the TRUST really cared that much about the club they would have challenged TJ like they are trying to challenge RD. Difference is you were all shit scared of him.

[americanaddick]

Apr 20, 2014 14:01:38 GMT @se9addick said:

Apr 20, 2014 13:38:39 GMT americanaddick said:

No, I meant ones like this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qslchmqbmz8

Some caveats from it:

"The new owner has no idea what this club is about"
"Roland is going to run us into the ground"
Someone put a piece of paper on the statue of Sam Bartram that read: "Big Sam would be ashamed Mr. Duchatelet. We certainly are"

So no one said RD "wants" us to be relegated then ?

Not in that specific video, no. You know, as well as I, that a sizable minority of fans are quite vocal in their belief that Rolly wants Charlton to get relegated, just so he can save money on paying Slater and friends. 


Despite there being no actual proof that this contract clause regarding the purchase of Charlton even exists.

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Apr 20, 2014 14:11:20 GMT americanaddick said:

Apr 20, 2014 14:01:38 GMT @se9addick said:

So no one said RD "wants" us to be relegated then ?

Not in that specific video, no. You know, as well as I, that a sizable minority of fans are quite vocal in their belief that Rolly wants Charlton to get relegated, just so he can save money on paying Slater and friends. 


Despite there being no actual proof that this contract clause regarding the purchase of Charlton even exists.

If there's a "sizeable minority" holding this opinion then I'd imagine there's proof somewhere.

There may be some who think the decisions RD has made with regards to player recruitment and disposal may contribute to our relegation but I haven't seen anyone say that he "wants" this to be the outcome.

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Apr 20, 2014 9:50:24 GMT reamsofverse said:

The posts I put up are out of a general interest and how things may change if Liege fail to qualify for the CL. Would it affect us in a positive or negative way, it's worth keeping an eye on but for that reason only, not because of what RD might have up his sneaky sleeve as some believe.

Other threads were because I have a better knowledge of Belgian football than most and I enjoy sharing that knowledge with anybody on here who is interested.

What you don't get with me is a sinister undertone like there is on the TRUST site which clearly states in the words of our docile friend from Prague(Who by the way I can educate on Czech football as much as he has time for) who wrote:

Whether you agree with the Network idea, it’s progress will undoubtedly affect Charlton in some way!!

How does he or you know that? Can you prove it?

Hunt writes what he does to maintain doubt in people's heads about Duchatelet only in many cases it isn't working, people have got more sense. He also makes out that the TRUST is the only place where information can be found on the network and what might be happening with Bari when it isn't, far from it.

I enjoy putting up posts about RD's other clubs because I enjoy talking and reading about football, European especially, I don't do it just to be like Hunt who is dying for a "I told you so" if things did go wrong.

Or you could look at it from another angle: that Richard Hunt is a lifelong fan who watched as supporters clubs buried their heads in the sand in the mid-80s, a fan who didn't stand by but became part of the solution, and who doesn't want to see our club risked again.

i think the criticism of the Trust not getting involved with TJ et al has some validity, but the only information getting out that could be trusted typically compromised individuals. Besides it's hardly been a secret they were looking for their exit.  Now we have a more public figure with evidence of how he's treated other clubs in his stable out there in the public domain.  It's inevitable that the Trust's stance will adjust.

Personally speaking I'd rather give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. If the information you're posting helps put people's minds at rest, all's good isn't it?

As for whether the network affects us, I think that's slightly obvious given what's turned up in the playing staff since January don't you?

[americanaddick]

Apr 20, 2014 9:59:16 GMT @ac said:

Reams, if the parent company owning the network clubs goes bust then we lose 10 points. FA rules dictate it. Therefore whether we like it or not, the network is inextricably linked to us as the financial performance of the group is key to our own success.

The parent company isn't going to go bust and if that's your best defense of "watching the network" then you're grasping at straws. Roland Duchatelet has MORE THAN €600,000,000. He's rich, end of. He actually probably has more money than all our past boards combined. Why would he let the parent company of a lot of his investments go bankrupt? He would lose all his investment capital then. Multi-millionaires don't buy businesses just to run them into the ground.

It's common sense.

I'm probably going to get a lot of heat for this, but I think the reason why some don't like Rolly owning the club is because he's foreign. There's a recent trend in the UK about being anti-EU. Notice the flack many other foreigners buying English clubs are getting as well. It's probably, at least partially, based on Brits not being comfortable with a foreigner owning "their" club. You may be a supporter of the club, but Roland owns it, end of.

People talk about needing to keep Charlton a "proper family club", fat lot of good that did us in todays game. Relegation from the Premier League, not getting promoted at the first attempt, relegation to league one, not getting promoted at the first attempt, not getting promoted at the second attempt, promotion, finishing just outside the playoffs, and now the utter crap we find ourselves in because the previous board were so poor they didn't have a pot to piss in. 

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Apr 20, 2014 9:44:34 GMT @thepompouscardigan said:

I would give the new owner 6/10 so far. The plus points have been the plans for the training ground & pitch, and the honest way they have tried to engage with the fans. Katrien was in Floyd Road giving out programmes on Friday, although she rather spoiled it by then appearing on the pitch with that gurning buffoon Richard Murray.

The negative has clearly been the transfers & loans under RD, which have been an almost total failure to date.

I agree with everything you said here apart from RM bring a buffoon, clueless and gutless yes, buffoon no.

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Apr 20, 2014 16:32:06 GMT americanaddick said:

Apr 20, 2014 9:59:16 GMT @ac said:

Reams, if the parent company owning the network clubs goes bust then we lose 10 points. FA rules dictate it. Therefore whether we like it or not, the network is inextricably linked to us as the financial performance of the group is key to our own success.

The parent company isn't going to go bust and if that's your best defense of "watching the network" then you're grasping at straws. Roland Duchatelet has MORE THAN €600,000,000. He's rich, end of. He actually probably has more money than all our past boards combined. Why would he let the parent company of a lot of his investments go bankrupt? He would lose all his investment capital then. Multi-millionaires don't buy businesses just to run them into the ground.

It's common sense.

I'm probably going to get a lot of heat for this, but I think the reason why some don't like Rolly owning the club is because he's foreign. There's a recent trend in the UK about being anti-EU. Notice the flack many other foreigners buying English clubs are getting as well. It's probably, at least partially, based on Brits not being comfortable with a foreigner owning "their" club. You may be a supporter of the club, but Roland owns it, end of.

People talk about needing to keep Charlton a "proper family club", fat lot of good that did us in todays game. Relegation from the Premier League, not getting promoted at the first attempt, relegation to league one, not getting promoted at the first attempt, not getting promoted at the second attempt, promotion, finishing just outside the playoffs, and now the utter crap we find ourselves in because the previous board were so poor they didn't have a pot to piss in. 

I am afraid that is one of the most naive posts I have ever read.  There are likely no PG's on Strapnix and therefore there is no recourse to the RD wealth so if he gets bored / feels like he has lost enough / dies (he is late 60's I believe) .  Football clubs go bust regularly because they over spend.  Six in one stable is likely to be a large overspend.

i work with some of the Worlds wealthiest and can assure you that a lot of them have cut companies adrift with no second thoughts when things have not panned out as expected.  

You stick your head in the sand then become surprised if things go wrong, I trust some of the old guard to ask the right questions and do the right investigations.  

Nothing may go wrong, no harm in being prepared if it does.